• Dagwood222
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    13 days ago

    You ignore one simple fact.

    The GOP always votes Red, no matter who.

    It takes two sides to have a reasonable discussion, but only one side to start a war.

    It’s a war and you’ve been invaded.

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      13 days ago

      The GOP always votes Red, no matter who.

      They literally don’t though. They voted for Trump because they liked him, not because he ran as a Republican. There’s that phenomenon where Trump voters also vote for candidates like AOC or Bernie Sanders, so… Yeah.

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        A lot of people that voted for Bernie back in the day voted for Trump and then AOC down ballot in 24.

        The far left cannot fathom people making those choices or existing at all it seems. But they really do.

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          The far left cannot fathom people making those choices or existing at all it seems. But they really do.

          Milquetoast liberals are about as much in denial about this as the hard left socialists, maybe even more so.

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            I definitely feel the denial rates on this particular topic lessen the more towards center you get, but I get your point.

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      GOP also always picks a Republican head of the FBI when they’re in charge. So does the Democratic president. Why is that?

      You may want to inform party leadership there’s a war on, they been out here trying to pull a muscle reaching across the aisle.

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      The fascist party always votes for fascists without thought? Who woulda guessed.

      Guess we gotta be fascists and vote without thought to beat them! Why has no one just tried to out fascist fascists before, it’s so simple and you’re so smart for coming up with that strategy.

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        13 days ago

        So what’s your plan?

        How do we get Trump out? Create a 3rd Party in under 24 months?

        Any usable ideas?

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          Acknowledge the problems Americans are actually facing, pick the leaders of the thousands of protests currently happening as grass roots campaigners, identify of those leaders who has the admin experience to do the boring jobs of an elected official, while folding in the hundreds of third party reps already in office by simply taking their talking points into the platform. Ideally make a show of rejecting corporate funding and roll some union leaders into the party to provide easy consistent funding sources.

          People are happy to vote for things, if they believe you’re not a cop or corporate puppet, like Harris or Clinton respectively.

          Oh, and public executions for people that think you can’t have a third party in fptp even when one party falls entirely out of favor.

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            So, the same people who didn’t show up for Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024 are suddenly going to come to the polls now?

            People keep posting like there’s this giant army of leftists out there. I haven’t seen them yet, and don’t plan on counting on them.

            Also, your plan is remarkably light on details. Are these people going to be voting in Dem primaries, or creating a 3rd party.

            And there’s not one candidate named. Just some vague Not Hillary Clinton.

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              Yes, the people that thought sanders had no chance due to dnc corruption that they were objectively correct about will mobilize for someone without that restriction. If sanders were to start a third party he alone would ensure the dnc never gets another candidate in office. And he’s a moderate.

              Because of the rules on civility, I’m going to say this as absolutely nicely as I can. Who the fuck are you to demand more from a random on the internet than the entire democratic party has ever given anyone?

              It’s a more concrete plan than continuing to go far right as the Dems did in the last two elections where they lost.

              M4a has around a 70% approval rating in polls, as does measures like focusing on green energy, taxing the rich, providing free college, retraining police, and reducing the power of the executive. Hell even ubi has over 50% in most polls. “Leftist” policies are popular. Hell socialism is extremely popular. You just can’t use the word socialist or communist thanks to 80 years of you people existing.

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                I asked for a plan. You don’t have one. You can’t even name a candidate. And somehow this is all my fault.

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                  Yeah, JAQing off is all you people do. You want us to vote, unquestioningly for whatever fascist you throw up, and constantly ask pointless leading questions after they e been answered.

                  The candidate shouldn’t matter. This is a democracy not an oligarchy. Hell you shouldn’t even be allowed to vote for individuals, given they should just be fulfilling the ideology of their party.

                  In any case why not de la Cruz, since she’s a woman but not evil.

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                    I still don’t see anything like a plan.

                    Keep on yelling on the internet. Maybe some random MAGoo will see your posts and rethink everything.

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      Except the GOP doesn’t always vote red, not matter who. I am friends with several people who are still registered Republicans that did not vote for Trump either time.

      Fucking echo chambers are dangerous man.

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        Trump had a difference of less than a million votes between this election and his first. You friends are anecdotes that don’t move the needle. They are the exception not the rule.

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        Herman Cain was Trump’s pal, I guess that means Trump’s not a racist, right?