• aleph
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    Oh, so you’re saying that Russia illegally annexing Crimea in 2014 wasn’t an invasion of Ukraine?

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      You can always tell who the most ignorant libs are when they bring up Crimea lmao

      Crimea is not Ukrainian, it has always been a distinct cultural ethnic region and 97% of Crimeans voting for independence from Kiev should give you pause before you breathlessly insist they should remain beholden to a bunch of nazi banderites

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        “Acktually sweaty, don’t you know that if a vote has a higher than 80% yes vote, it’s automatically a sham? Every vote needs to be really close or else it doesn’t count and isn’t real democracy. Consensus isn’t democratic!”

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        Crimeans wanting independence means they wanted to become part of the Russian empire again?

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          the Russian federation is a reactionary bourgeois state that is a hollowed out shell of its former USSR self, but I dislike the hyperbole that it is “the Russian Empire”. Russia Today is neither the Russian empire, nor the Soviet Union. If anything it is closer politically to what it would have been if the February revolution had continued and the October revolution never happened: A bourgeois state.

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          a russian majority region would rather not be ethnically cleansed

          they join russia

          those people are pro russian empire traitors

          yea

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      making it pretty obvious here that you have no idea who Victoria Nuland is and only started paying attention to any of this stuff in 2022

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        Assuming that it was even legitimate to begin with, which is a big if, a popular vote doesn’t automatically legitimize relinquishing territory to a foreign nation.

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      In response to Ukraine illegally replacing the president in a legislative coup.

      Let’s not pretend like the law matters, m’kay?

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      I know borders are sacred and inviolable, but Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country until fairly recently. It’s not weird that large populations of people would rather not be living under the rule of Ukrainian nationalists and decided to make some adjustments.