I found this article by Cato Institute, of all places, interesting as it criticizes the Republican rhetoric about the constitution as possibly…deeply misinformed.

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    Cato isn’t a Republican group to start, but even then, you should be able to point out flaws on your own side.

    Right now, you are hearing more rhetoric than anything. Some of the points in the article are silly.

    An example is

    But for all of their claims of fidelity to the Constitution, the candidates sure got a lot wrong about it. Vivek Ramaswamy, for instance, said in his closing remarks that the Constitution (ratified in 1788), is “what won us the American Revolution” (which ended 5 years earlier, in 1783).

    Vivek wasn’t trying to speak literally but inspirational in his message.

    The candidates also seemed to misunderstand the scope of presidential power when they suggested they’d invade Mexico as a response to rising opioid abuse, which they blame on Mexican cartels. DeSantis said he’d “send troops” into Mexico to take out fentanyl labs and drug cartel operations. Pence referred to “partner[ing] with the Mexican military” to “hunt down and destroy the cartels.” And Ramaswamy, Hutchison, and Tim Scott all alluded to using military resources to stop the flow of fentanyl at the border.

    They could use military power but none of them would. It would be wildly unpopular. It is more rhetoric but I have no idea who they are focusing on since I don’t know anyone asking for this. We can solve this by just protecting our border and inspecting things that enter or through trade sanctions.

    Right now is the time to watch and see who says the craziest shit. None of them are appealing to me. Maybe Hayley and possibly Christie.

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      Vivek wasn’t trying to speak literally but inspirational in his message.

      Aren’t we passed this yet? When people tell you what they believe or what they’re going to do, believe them.

      There is a notable difference in political aspirational rhetoric from years past. Do you think McCain would’ve got the relationship between the Constitution and the American Revolution wrong? Or obliquely suggested a Mexican invasion to stop drug cartels?

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        Vivek is the last dog in the fight. So he’s trying to build his brand.

        The Mexican invasion I just heard tonight.

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      It is more rhetoric but I have no idea who they are focusing on since I don’t know anyone asking for this

      I wouldn’t say it’s a mainstream view, but it’s far from unheard of, at least in the circles I’m in. Personally, I’m partial to it depending on how it’s done

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        If they could present a compelling case I may support it. Now supporting the military with permission I’d support. Otherwise work on border and let Mexico handle their internal affairs.

        Going into a country unasked is something we’ve done before. Obama ordered the strike on osama and people cheered. I get why we did it but to backstab an ally isn’t a good look

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          The whole reason this is on the table is because Mexico has refused to deal with their internal affairs for decades, and the cartels are all in bed with the Mexican government. What worth is an ally who is nothing but a detriment to us?

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            My issue is it worth American lives? We have a habit of kicking ass but not leaving.

            If we could go in, strike and leave I’d be more onboard.