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- technology@beehaw.org
The Vision product is a more like a monitor than AR glasses you wear all day. It makes nods to the practicality of strapping a monitor to your face: you can unplug, slide the battery in your pocket, stand up and walk into a different room to get something without disengaging from the monitor. If someone wants to chat, you can fade in reality and let them see your eyes so that the two of you can more comfortably (we’ll see about this!) exchange a few words.
Without things like that, strapping a monitor to your face to get great eye tracking, immersive photos/video, and the giant digital canvas for your application windows might prove too inconvenient. For example, needing to pull the goggles off to answer a quick question from someone else in the room could make the whole endeavor not worth the hassle in some settings. If those settings turn out to be popular (e.g. using this at work in an office), then Apple is one step ahead.
I think that AR glasses you wear when out and about will be a different product. Admittedly, the photography aspect of Vision is a tentative move in this direction. I think it’s being positioned more as a thing where you’d pull it out to capture a particular scene, then put it away again, rather than something you’d wear for an entire outing (the battery life largely precludes such a use, after all). I don’t think it’s a great fit for this now as it seems like it’d require the equivalent of a camera bag to bring with you, but undoubtedly some people will capture some amazing images.
No for one simple reason: I have a wife. We like to experience content together (watching movies/TV, playing games). None of which I can do without not one but two of these things. No thanks.
It’s funny how obvious this point is and yet it seems to be getting kind of quietly ignored.
I’ve heard a lot of pundits excitedly talking about using this headset to get rid of TVs in their house. I keep wondering how they think that’ll go over with their families.
That’s why when Google revealed the Glasses I thought “that’s it, that’s the headwear device that will be the future, it’s literally just glasses!”.
Alas, I should have known back then there was one thing going against that device’s survival odds: it was a project from project slayer, Google.
I think the end goal would be AR/VR built into your glasses that are as light as current day glasses. We are probably a long time away from that, but I feel like most VR headsets right now are beta versions of this end goal.
“a long time” probably means like a decade for this kind of stuff, so at least there’s that to look forward to
For all the faults Google glass had, at least they were similar in size to regular glasses. I would only consider these things if they were as non-intrusive as possible, aka not ski goggles
The Apple headset does look a lot more lightweight and comfortable than most of what we have today - but even then, I just don’t see it.
Even if they got it down to the weight and bulk of actual ski goggles, that wouldn’t actually be comfortable for long sessions compared to sitting at a computer or watching TV (or even using a smart phone)
And ultimately you have to ask what the actual benefit is. The VR/AR industry seems (baffingly) to be moving away from games and towards social/business use cases (the Apple headset baffingly seems to be mosty selling itself as a laptop replacement). Everything we saw them doing with the Apple headset in the demo would be more comfortable and easier to do via more traditional mediums.
And don’t even get me started on Meta who wants us to start working and shopping in VR…
VR has amazing potential for games, but it seems like just when we started to realize that potential with HL:A, the industry just gave up on it. Now-a-days, all the new titles are arcade games optimized for the quest, and hardware developers seem hell-bent on selling these headsets for everything except games.
I could see wanting something like what the Google Glass was supposed to be as a “wear everywhere” headset, but even then it’d be a niche thing for tech enthusiasts
Headsets already feel outdated. They seem inconvenient, uncomfortable, and take you away from life instead of enhancing it. Whatever happened to google glass? I disliked that for many reasons but at least it wasn’t a headset.
Google happened to it. Right when some of us started doing practical things with it. Still haven’t forgiven them for that.
Can’t have a product potentially get past the early adopters phase can they.
I still don’t think I should have told them I was working on a software prosthetic for it.
Oh, what is that?
I was writing code for Google Glass that implemented facial recognition. A friend of mine suffered a TBI in an automobile wreck and developed partial facial prosopagnosia as a result. I was basically writing software that would recognize faces within 15 feet of the wearer and compare it to images of their contacts in their Google account, and would throw up an AR subtitle identifying the person on a match. Not too long after I filed the developer applications and outlined my project, the Glass project flatlined.
Did you end up taking it anywhere from there?
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No. The future of tech should be about getting more capabilities out of fewer (and/or less intrusive) screens. Would love to see more advances in e-ink displays and open-source, ‘ambient’ voice-controlled UIs.
oh no. I hate voice controlled tech. it’s off for me. I would not use that at all.
Agreed. I don’t want to use voice controls for anything but I agree with the OPs more general point of getting more capabilities out of fewer screens
I don’t see any downside at all if it’s layered on top of some other (very capable) keyboard-driven UI that can do all the same things.
I don’t see any downside at all if it’s layered on top of some other (very capable) keyboard-driven UI that can do all the same things.
The downside is that no existing tech company has enough self-control to actually keep these kinds of recordings private.
That’s why we need something open-source and self-hosted.
Several such solutions already exist. Problem is, only folks like us mess around with it. Non-geeks, not so much.
Nope
I don’t even want to wear clothes half the time never mind a giant computer that’s tracking my eyeballs.
No one talks about how bad it is to have tons of little LEDs in your eyes. My eyes are already messed up, and I can’t use VR for more than an hour before I feel like I want to die. So it’s a HARD pass from people like me. Talk to me once you put screens in the walls, not on them.
I really don’t. I wear glasses and I can’t imagine a system where it’s comfortable to wear both. If my glasses could be replaced by “smart” glasses, then I’d give it a go, but not if they are going to basically be a headset that looks like glasses.
I heard on TechLinked that they charge you more if you wear glasses for your prescription to be in the lenses or something.
Do you have to change the whole device if your prescription changes? Or just the (guessing price) $1500 usd lenses?
Just the lenses.
As long as these don’t cost a kidney, it’s reasonable.
Yall remember google glasses? Seems like a decade ago.
There was a hilarious few week period in 2013 where I saw multiple people slam into the handrails and doors on muni busses in SF while glassed out. Also people yelling at them about not consenting to being recorded etc but that was much less amusing. Within a couple weeks you entirely stopped seeing them in public spaces.
If the technology was to become widespread it would have to do better than “silly digital ski goggles” anyway. I wear glasses, I wouldn’t mind slightly bulkier glasses if in exchange I can get a heads-up display telling me what the name of that person who’s greeting me that I should totally know the name of but have forgotten right now.
I’m the other way on this one. The idea of having an always-on HUD, while convenient, seems far more dystopian than a nifty toy to watch immersive movies on and play interesting games on when I get home. I know it’s an unpopular opinion around here, but I for one am excited to see computing take on different HIDs. The thought of an infinitely large canvas to compute on appeals to me, while an always-with-me wearable does not.
I like having a disproportionately powerful computing device at home. When I’m out, I’ll bring my analogue watch and an outdated smartphone to text people and read articles. When I’m computing, I go all out. When I’m not, I’m not.