A flurry of Harvard students and groups are trying to backtrack on their support of a letter blaming Israel — as some business titans seek to blacklist them from future jobs.
because of the blockade, and the iron dome, and the IDF in general. I’m sorry Israel is good at defending itself.
I think this week has shown that the blockade wasn’t really that effective.
and because Hamas was specifically holding off for this one planned, concerted attack, with missiles saved up, which explains why they didn’t join the Islamic Jihad attack or anything.
I’m not sure how that really supports your argument, nor do I think that a Hamas representative is a credible narrator. The recent attack shows levels of coordination and logistics that more than likely required a good bit of outside help. Whether it’s Russia or Iran, it’s unlikely that they’d be planning this large of an attack for two years without it being picked up by Israeli intelligence agencies.
they killed more than 300, you’re only counting the Israelis they killed, not the Palestinians they killed. 25% of their rockets land in Gaza, they’re not exactly careful aiming them.
Ahh, so now we can differentiate between hamas and Palestine?
It’s almost like the Palestinian government doesn’t care. Or like they do care, and they want nothing more for them than martyrdom.
Israel continues to give all this aid even though Hamas is controlling its distribution. What would you prefer they do? re-occupy Gaza and deliver aid individually?
Or… They could simply stop provoking the Palestinian government from violent behavior by stopping the expansion of illegal settlements.
You are acting as if this has all happened in a vacuum, why do you suppose they are reaching for violence to begin with?
Again, those are unconfirmed second hand reports. The first is saying multiple eye witness, but doesn’t name or confirm their sources. The second source is reporters saying that an idf official reportes there has been beheadings.
Look, I’m not saying that it’s impossible that Hamas would behead babies. However, it seems a bit unlikely considering how quickly the attack began and ended. It’s just more likely that it’s being used to justify the coming violence, just as it has the vast majority of the times this sort of violence is initially reported.
It may even have a kernel of truth in it, unfortunately explosions often amputate body parts. It would not surprise me if a soldier or civilian saw something like it and honestly believes that they were beheading babies. However, historically these kinds of atrocities are committed during occupations after the initial combat area is secured.
I’m sick of this bullshit. Hamas explicitly calls for the extermination of all Jews in its charter, not just the ones in Israel.
And when you were talking about this it was in reference to people attending “pro Palestine” rallies. The quotations along with the provided context implies that people are attending anti semitic rallies as opposed to pro Palestinian rallies.
did not say that everyone who disagrees is an antisemite. I said that the terrorists who openly and proudly hate Jews are antisemites, and the heartless bastards who celebrate that terrorism, who watch on with popcorn while innocent Jewish civilians die are antisemites.
And how do you determine the difference? Does attending a pro Palestinian rally automatically mean you are celebrating terrorism? I feel the problem is that you are making some pretty sweeping statements that conflate Palestinian people with Hamas supporters.
Israel is the only state in the middle east with any semblance of equality—with complete equality, until the current Israeli government—based on race or religion, but let’s stop and pretend it was an Apartheid state, and let’s say that all people want is to end it.
Okay let’s dissect the conflicting statements in this claim.
Israel is the only …until the current government. So what you are saying is the Israel used to be the most egalitarian state in regards to an area filled with a vast history of war crimes.
but let’s stop and pretend it was an Apartheid state
How do they not fit the definition “inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity “committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime”.”
and let’s say that all people want is to end it.
If it’s not apartheid, what do you want to end?
they see soldiers parading teenage girls in the streets. They see their blood-stained sweatpants, they know she just got raped. They hear that (then) hundreds of Israeli civilians are dead. They see a music festival get massacred.
Do you think they really think this is going to end Israel? Do you really think they’re that stupid?
No, to be honest I think they’ve come to the conclusion that Palestinians cannot end the apartheid by themselves. I think they know that regional support in Egypt, Lebanon, and Iran have waned in the last ten years. I think they committed an act so horrific that they know the response will be genocidal in nature, forcing their regional partners into a response. This is why I believe they specifically targeted liberal populations and the peace festival, to isolate any reasonable hand away from the brakes.
Hamas cannot exist with peace. They were afraid the Saudis might try to broker peace, or that the Israelis would vote Netanyahu out, or something might happen to make peace more plausible, and they had to stop that.
And I could claim the same thing about the current conservative government of Israel. Netanyahus regime cannot survive without hamas, they cannot survive peace, his power and possibly freedom depend on an escalation in violence.
I think this week has shown that the blockade wasn’t really that effective.
I’m not sure how that really supports your argument, nor do I think that a Hamas representative is a credible narrator. The recent attack shows levels of coordination and logistics that more than likely required a good bit of outside help. Whether it’s Russia or Iran, it’s unlikely that they’d be planning this large of an attack for two years without it being picked up by Israeli intelligence agencies.
Ahh, so now we can differentiate between hamas and Palestine?
Or… They could simply stop provoking the Palestinian government from violent behavior by stopping the expansion of illegal settlements.
You are acting as if this has all happened in a vacuum, why do you suppose they are reaching for violence to begin with?
Again, those are unconfirmed second hand reports. The first is saying multiple eye witness, but doesn’t name or confirm their sources. The second source is reporters saying that an idf official reportes there has been beheadings.
Look, I’m not saying that it’s impossible that Hamas would behead babies. However, it seems a bit unlikely considering how quickly the attack began and ended. It’s just more likely that it’s being used to justify the coming violence, just as it has the vast majority of the times this sort of violence is initially reported.
It may even have a kernel of truth in it, unfortunately explosions often amputate body parts. It would not surprise me if a soldier or civilian saw something like it and honestly believes that they were beheading babies. However, historically these kinds of atrocities are committed during occupations after the initial combat area is secured.
And when you were talking about this it was in reference to people attending “pro Palestine” rallies. The quotations along with the provided context implies that people are attending anti semitic rallies as opposed to pro Palestinian rallies.
And how do you determine the difference? Does attending a pro Palestinian rally automatically mean you are celebrating terrorism? I feel the problem is that you are making some pretty sweeping statements that conflate Palestinian people with Hamas supporters.
Okay let’s dissect the conflicting statements in this claim.
Israel is the only …until the current government. So what you are saying is the Israel used to be the most egalitarian state in regards to an area filled with a vast history of war crimes.
How do they not fit the definition “inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity “committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime”.”
If it’s not apartheid, what do you want to end?
No, to be honest I think they’ve come to the conclusion that Palestinians cannot end the apartheid by themselves. I think they know that regional support in Egypt, Lebanon, and Iran have waned in the last ten years. I think they committed an act so horrific that they know the response will be genocidal in nature, forcing their regional partners into a response. This is why I believe they specifically targeted liberal populations and the peace festival, to isolate any reasonable hand away from the brakes.
And I could claim the same thing about the current conservative government of Israel. Netanyahus regime cannot survive without hamas, they cannot survive peace, his power and possibly freedom depend on an escalation in violence.