Most banned books aren’t age appropriate or contain some issue. Like Gender Queer, the “Most banned book in America”, freely available to order, contains pictures of sex, blowjobs, and a blood soaked tampon left until the blood curdled. It’s not exactly appropriate for kids, so it got banned.
The issue is that most of lemmy has never looked at a banned book, and they’re just circlejerking thinking that only super important books get banned or some shit like that.
No, most banned books are sex-education or contain something that the conservative parents that don’t actually read these books won’t like because of some mistaken idea that teaching kids about the world is a bad thing
As someone who has perused multiple of the books on the ban list: not a single one I’ve seen is something that you’d legit keep out of a kids hands unless you were some weird prude who hated sex. Eg, a conservative with little sex education themselves
I’d argue talking about how babies are made with mommy and daddy is just as appropriate or inappropriate as talking about changing sex, depending on the age, occasion and intent.
Changing ‘Gender’ without deviating sexually however should be fine imho… I’m a straight male and I have never shunned anybody for what they think or believe, many of which were very different than my experience of life or personal belief. If I can’t relate I just accept, and I don’t think any information about genderfluidity would have changed me, but instead maybe even better educated me to know how to respect others that are cause I’ve been in quite a few arguments about it just for being uninformed about something that didn’t apply to me. It’s harder than it should be to ask “why” for reasoning and clarification as a binary without apparently sounding condescendent, so advance information about it would have actually been helpful to me… 😅
Thats true. But this shit isn’t, not for a school library. Furthermore, schools can only hold so many books, many books are appropriate that cover the same subjects, so why this book?
Like, I can maybe get behind the blowjob drawing being a little overbiard if it wasn’t so crude and basic. Most of the other images linked are just a gay couple holding hands or the word VAGINA, or other completely normal things
Sex and puberty happen to young ass kids, stop pretending like it doesn’t and that they should be in the fucking dark about what’s happening to them
Again, forgive me if I don’t trust a site that editorializes as it does in the link title. They clearly have a pre-established issue with the book they’re looking to justify and I believe that issue to be a fundamental aversion to queer existence.
If you don’t want your kid reading it, you can talk to them.
I won’t be ceding any ground to a position which has tried to block even the sale of the book.
It’s queer hatred and none of the arguing is in good faith.
Thank you so much for not just downvoting me, but at least enlightening me of what I didn’t get! I appreciate that! Many just downvote without making me any wiser, even when I ask for clarification… 😅
Either way, those kinds of books are indeed not for children and are bad to be getting in candy, hands down agreed on that!
I just saw “banned books” and assumed books with information that make you question the powers that be or the preset values taught… It’s ok to think differently and to critic information that only comes from one side of the story.
But it of course is a bad thing to give any sexual or gorey content to children, I just didn’t think about that kind of bad when it is put in front of “books”, tbh, if it’s sexual content I’d more expect it to be ‘pictures’ then instead of ‘books’,…
Damn, the bloody female-napkin, however weird it feels, is still kind of educational for girls not to be scared to dead if this ever happens, and maybe lessen the shame of it a bit too as it normalizes it a bit and it is a very common part of life that way too often still gets seen as ‘disgusting’, while it’s just nature…
The sex-toy thing however does go over the line, though, there’s nothing educationally useful in that information. They’ll find out about those eventually anyway and there’s literally no need to specifically mention it exists to children at any age…
What does either of those things educationally have to do with being queer, though? Call me conservative for saying this but I’d expect a book about the differences of being queer to be, well… about the differences of being queer actually, not the (slightly) taboo similarities that are controversial in any book to begin with… 😅
Must be bad books? Usually banned books are a good thing. Learn what nobody wants you to know! 😅
Or am I missing some kind of sarcasm here? 😅
Fwiw, here’s a list of frequently banned books in the USA: https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/decade2019
I think a lot of the downvotes are from people misinterpreting your comment as saying that banning books is good.
The joke is making fun of conservatives banning books and paranoia around blades and poison hidden in Halloween candy.
Oh, I see it now, editing it for clarification… 😅
Most banned books aren’t age appropriate or contain some issue. Like Gender Queer, the “Most banned book in America”, freely available to order, contains pictures of sex, blowjobs, and a blood soaked tampon left until the blood curdled. It’s not exactly appropriate for kids, so it got banned.
The issue is that most of lemmy has never looked at a banned book, and they’re just circlejerking thinking that only super important books get banned or some shit like that.
No, most banned books are sex-education or contain something that the conservative parents that don’t actually read these books won’t like because of some mistaken idea that teaching kids about the world is a bad thing
As someone who has perused multiple of the books on the ban list: not a single one I’ve seen is something that you’d legit keep out of a kids hands unless you were some weird prude who hated sex. Eg, a conservative with little sex education themselves
Gender queer is sex education. Just because it has information in it doesn’t mean its appropriate.
Mommies and daddies technically are a sex ed concept. It’s all about context friend.
I’d argue talking about how babies are made with mommy and daddy is just as appropriate or inappropriate as talking about changing sex, depending on the age, occasion and intent.
Changing ‘Gender’ without deviating sexually however should be fine imho… I’m a straight male and I have never shunned anybody for what they think or believe, many of which were very different than my experience of life or personal belief. If I can’t relate I just accept, and I don’t think any information about genderfluidity would have changed me, but instead maybe even better educated me to know how to respect others that are cause I’ve been in quite a few arguments about it just for being uninformed about something that didn’t apply to me. It’s harder than it should be to ask “why” for reasoning and clarification as a binary without apparently sounding condescendent, so advance information about it would have actually been helpful to me… 😅
Just because it’s about queers doesn’t mean it’s _in_appropriate.
Thats true. But this shit isn’t, not for a school library. Furthermore, schools can only hold so many books, many books are appropriate that cover the same subjects, so why this book?
Also link to whats actually in gender queer. NSFW. https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/
Why not that book?
Sounds like you just hate queer people.
You’ll forgive me if i don’t trust a site that editorializes the content as “shocking”.
The images are straight from the book. Regardless of the site, its pretty damning evidence.
And if you really want your kids to read it, you can buy it.
It’s not damning at all, though
Like, I can maybe get behind the blowjob drawing being a little overbiard if it wasn’t so crude and basic. Most of the other images linked are just a gay couple holding hands or the word VAGINA, or other completely normal things
Sex and puberty happen to young ass kids, stop pretending like it doesn’t and that they should be in the fucking dark about what’s happening to them
Again, forgive me if I don’t trust a site that editorializes as it does in the link title. They clearly have a pre-established issue with the book they’re looking to justify and I believe that issue to be a fundamental aversion to queer existence.
If you don’t want your kid reading it, you can talk to them.
I won’t be ceding any ground to a position which has tried to block even the sale of the book.
It’s queer hatred and none of the arguing is in good faith.
You wanna hear something mind-blowing? When I go to a library and don’t like a book I just don’t read it…
Yeah, doesn’t mean that libraries can or should carry every book ever made. School libraries should have books appropriate for the students.
Problem is idiots will see an authors last name being Gay and immediately call for a ban without even knowing what’s in the book.
Fuck off book burner
Oh, these kinds of “banned books for children”… 😅
Thank you so much for not just downvoting me, but at least enlightening me of what I didn’t get! I appreciate that! Many just downvote without making me any wiser, even when I ask for clarification… 😅
Either way, those kinds of books are indeed not for children and are bad to be getting in candy, hands down agreed on that! I just saw “banned books” and assumed books with information that make you question the powers that be or the preset values taught… It’s ok to think differently and to critic information that only comes from one side of the story. But it of course is a bad thing to give any sexual or gorey content to children, I just didn’t think about that kind of bad when it is put in front of “books”, tbh, if it’s sexual content I’d more expect it to be ‘pictures’ then instead of ‘books’,…
Anyway, again, thanks for clarifying!
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Damn, the bloody female-napkin, however weird it feels, is still kind of educational for girls not to be scared to dead if this ever happens, and maybe lessen the shame of it a bit too as it normalizes it a bit and it is a very common part of life that way too often still gets seen as ‘disgusting’, while it’s just nature…
The sex-toy thing however does go over the line, though, there’s nothing educationally useful in that information. They’ll find out about those eventually anyway and there’s literally no need to specifically mention it exists to children at any age…
What does either of those things educationally have to do with being queer, though? Call me conservative for saying this but I’d expect a book about the differences of being queer to be, well… about the differences of being queer actually, not the (slightly) taboo similarities that are controversial in any book to begin with… 😅
Well shit, I’m in my early 30s and that’s definitely sounding like it’s not appropriate for me either 🤢