• daftwerder
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      10 months ago

      You have some seriously warped perspective. Israel is indeed committing actual genocide and ethic cleansing. They want to destroy Palestine and relocate what people are left, if any, into other countries. They have been creating illegal settlements for many many years if you want some context for this strategy.

      Israel is not “defending” itself. For example, sniping innocent doctors and patients and destroying a hospital is not self defense. The al shifa hospital also has not been found to be a Hamas base… 15 guns and a tunnel are not a military base. If it was, this still would not justify those actions. The scale of this “defense” is really disgusting, especially when Israel has been oppressing the people of Palestine for many decades.

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        10 months ago

        Israel is indeed committing actual genocide and ethic cleansing

        You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Such accusations against Israel devalue the seriousness of these terms. Crying genocide when it’s clearly not applicable is like crying wolf; Israel is clearly not trying to eliminate Muslims or Arabs, if they were they certainly have the means to do so more effectively. In fact, 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab/Palestinians.

        Accusations of ethnic cleansing make no sense unless you extend the term to include national groups that are currently attacking you. Denying a hostile belligerent nation land is ethnic cleansing? Absurd.

        Want to slaughter civilians in your neighboring nation and leave them unable to retaliate without being called a genocidal ethnic cleansing apartheid state? Just be a monoethnicity! Modern nations hate this one trick.

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          Well here’s the definition according to UN that basically the whole world agrees on:

          Definition - Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide - Article II

          In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

          • Killing members of the group;
          • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
          • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
          • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
          • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

          One scholar is noted as saying this:

          Raz Segal, the program director of genocide studies at Stockton University, concretely says it is a “textbook case of genocide.” Segal believes that Israeli forces are completing three genocidal acts, including, “killing, causing serious bodily harm, and measures calculated to bring about the destruction of the group.” He points to the mass levels of destruction and total siege of basic necessities—like water, food, fuel, and medical supplies—as evidence.

          As always there are some who disagree. But I do not misunderstand the meaning of the word.

          Also it’s hilarious that you say “Denying a hostile belligerent nation land”. That’s so incredibly fucked up. They are illegal settlers who are murdering the current residents in order to steal their land. What mental gymnastics it must take to call that “denying land”.