Blowing up Nord Stream and selling LNG to Europe at jacked-up prices is Bidenomics.
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Was there any evidence of the US blowing up the pipeline or is it just speculation at this point?
Yes. Seymour Hersh has provided everything we can expect to get short of the CIA and Joint Chiefs declassifying their documentation.
Thanks for the keyword. I found his substack (which is paid) and a Snopes article saying his claim is bogus.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
https://www.democracynow.org/2023/2/15/nord_stream_sy_hersh
https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/02/10/hersh-nord-stream-sabotage/
Before we talk about the smoking gun evidence, the tacit admissions by Blinken and Biden, the obvious incentives for the US to do this.
Have you ever doubted a claim made about Russia based on anonymous sources in your life? Name one
Have you ever doubted a claim made about Russia based on anonymous sources in your life? Name one
What? Sorry, I don’t understand. Plus, what does my opinion have to do with anything? I’m not an expert on… anything lol
There are many other stories about Russia that have gotten Snopes approval that relied on the exact same kind of sourcing from AP, Reuters, NYT, Guardian, BBC, France24, all the main shit that has a veneer of legitimacy which gets rated positively by the orgs that give articles disinformation ratings. You know, Apple News filler.
Snopes is a ridiculous website.
LMAO Hersh undersells it, he uses intelligence sources and shit, so Snopes just has to be like “erm we don’t think so”. Christ
Are people assuming I’m pushing a conclusion about who blew up the pipes? I literally just heard about Hersh 2 hours ago and posted some links I found for others who are new to the subject too. Lol take it easy people.
No I’m just asking why you’re incredulous at the idea. You’re right I can’t expect you to know who Hersh is but he’s a hi-profile investigative journalist who has a patronage relationship with intelligence agencies.
To me it comes down to whether we believe the deep state source that UK & Ukraine acted more on their own volition and this wasn’t a joint NATO intelligence kind of thing, or we assume they’re just trying to push away blame considering that Germans have to pretend to believe we didn’t bend them over.
I’m just asking why you’re incredulous at the idea
That’s your assumption. I was just gathering information, that’s all. Maybe you expected me to swallow the thesis without question, idk. You seem to know what you’re talking about so it might just be that you’re surprised that what’s so clear to you after doing dozens of hours of reading is still a nebulous idea to me after 15 minutes of reading.
It seems a handful of people had the same assumption as you but I still hold that it was an unfounded assumption as I never expressed an opinion either way.
I do appreciate our dialogue and the new information you pointed me to, though.
And we should believe Snopes over Hersh why exactly? Maybe explain to us why western governments prevented an independent investigation into the bombing, and why the German government sealed the documents from their own MPs?
And we should believe Snopes over Hersh why exactly?
Who said we should? Y’all are insane with your assumptions.
You’re the one who threw in “Snopes article saying his claim is bogus”. So, I’m asking you to elaborate on why it is you believe this Snopes statement to be important. The only thing insane here is how defensive you get when asked a simple question.
Russia blew up their own pipeline cause Putin is cray Zee! Also Joe Biden said so!
Wonder how that happened huh? If only the US president had made his intentions clear beforehand. Ahh well, nevertheless, we’ll never know why there is such a big market for US LNG now…
And after they blew it up they blamed Russia and denied denied denied.
Biden is also after Gaza’s natural gas which is why he is bankrolling the genocide there
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Now this is greenwashing
Biden really is the most green President in history.
Top oil, top LNG, and many of his investment initiatives have divested basically no money.
Pushing Russia into defensive action and blowing up Nord Stream was a really profitable decision for the US oil-weapons-surveillance industry.
That’s not what defensive means. Russia is the imperialist invader, on the offensive.
That’s not what imperialist means.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Imperialism#Russian_
Nor is Russia on the offensive, but western media has memory holed and obscured the facts that lead to that conclusion.
As soon as you claim that russian imperialists are not on the offensive inside Ukraine, I know you have nothing to say in good faith.
Oh, and ‘prolewiki’, lol.
You’d come to the same conclusions reading any of the history of post Soviet Ukraine and Russia as well as any scientific literature on imperialism. I figured I’d link the TDLR version in case anyone’s interested because political theory reading lists can be hard to get through. If you are interested, Lenin’s Imperialism is a great place to start.
Russia is categorically not imperialist, again as per the agreed upon definition of imperialism. The political aims (security guarantees and fair economic treatment) of Russia have also been made exceedingly clear for the past two decades and haven’t fundamentally changed, but you won’t hear about it from western media. Even some mainstream US political intellectuals admit to all of this being true.
The post Maidan Ukranian regime absolutely was on the offensive before the SMO in an attempt to kill all people of Russian heritage within their borders, as well as any who didn’t go along with the fascist plans to sell off all productive infrastructure to the highest bidder and gut worker’s rights. But that’s now played off as a conspiracy theory in the west to manufacture consent for material support of said genocidal regime. Now that the SMO has forced Ukraine into a lend-lease agreement with the US, massive investment firms like Blackrock have bought up most of Ukraine’s productive property and there’s absolutely nothing left for the people - now that’s one of the hallmarks of imperialism.
