• janAkali@lemmy.one
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    8 months ago

    I mean doesn’t america always bang on about people being able to govern themselves rather than been forced into another government they don’t want to be a part of.

    Because any country supports only stuff that benefits them. And the states is no different. Do you really think USA cares about democracy and sovereignity in the middle east?

    They only protect their own interests and Texas secession is against these interests: If Texas would get it’s sovereignity, what’s stopping other 50 states from doing the same?

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      8 months ago

      I think this is it.

      I agree with you. But don’t Americans feel like they should go for it? That’s what confuses me

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          8 months ago

          But they have the right too. Scotland has a right to leave the union. Northern Ireland has a right to leave the union. If they choose.

          It seems weird that Americans are against it, if they choose. The fact they can’t choose seems to spit in the face of what America is.

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            You seem to have this idea of “what America is” like all 350 million of us are born with the natural free spirit and sense of rebellion to just want to separate for the sake of separation.

            The US was founded because the monarchy oppressed the colonies and taxed us without representation. That’s literally the only time the US ever “left” anything, and that was to get away from a monarchy. The only other time it happened we waged the bloodiest war on our soil in our history to make sure it didn’t.

            There’s no monarchy here, brother. Why do you have this idea that we all just want to get away?

            What the US is actually about is celebrating diversity. We are the melting pot of the world. By definition there’s no unified “what we are about” mindset.

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            You seem to have this idea of “what America is” like all 350 million of us are born with the natural free spirit and sense of rebellion to just want to separate for the sake of separation.

            The US was founded because the monarchy oppressed the colonies and taxed us without representation. That’s literally the only time the US ever “left” anything, and that was to get away from a monarchy. The only other time it happened we waged the bloodiest war on our soil in our history to make sure it didn’t.

            There’s no monarchy here, brother. Why do you have this idea that we all just want to get away?

            What the US is actually about is celebrating diversity. We are the melting pot of the world. By definition there’s no unified “what we are about” mindset.

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              8 months ago

              Like I said elsewhere the US put self determination into the UN. It’s a concept they seem to hold dear.

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                8 months ago

                Alright, so you’ve got two examples… In 300 years. You’re sure you’re not projecting what you want the US to be onto it?

                Not to mention that support of the UN is functionally limited to and decided by a few hundred of us in the federal government, out of 350 million of us. That example in particular isn’t even a good one, hardly indicative of “the spirit of the US”. Ask the average American what they think of the UN. They will say “European group with European problems”. Yes, we’re that ignorant as a whole.

                So what are you even talking about?