Are moderators allowed to ban people and list a fake reason? This conservative has defamed me by listing the reason as homophobia. Kinda funny coming from a right winger lol. Is this acceptable on lemm.ee?
I agree that using the mod log to attack other users with inaccurate mod action reasons is not really justifiable.
We now have some additional guidance about this here under the moderator responsibilities section:
Ensure that they only provide accurate and clear reasons for mod actions
I will make a separate announcement post about this as well shortly.
Unfortunately, due to the nature of mod log federation on Lemmy, it’s not really possible to retroactively change mod action reasons currently. I am sorry about that. If this does end up causing problems for you in the future, you could point people to this thread for context.
Mods can ban you from their community for any reason they want
Not saying you should have been banned but it’s his community to do what he wants with. Stamets banned me from c/Tumblr without warning for making a joke he didn’t like lol
I understand that, I don’t care that I was banned from that sub, it’s trash. But why is listing an incorrect reason allowed?
Mods can be trolls, too. This one in question thinks that Trump is on his side because his income is in the top 5% (if I’m remembering correctly) which should tell you what kind of person he is
I’m not gonna dig through your profile or the mod log to see what kind of comments you left but I haven’t been banned despite the criticisms I’ve posted so id imagine imagine what you said was probably worse…so I totally get why he didn’t want you commenting there. Someone quoting Bible verses would probably get banned from c/atheism
I get why you’re annoyed if you didn’t post anything homophobic but I’d just drop it, shittalking on the conservative board isn’t worth your time especially because they’re certainly not gonna learn from it
Lol he claims his income is top 5%. He is also an army medic, fighter pilot, owns multiple properties across multiple states and spends 20+ hours a day on lemmy. I called him George Santos for all his accomplishments.
Didn’t he delete a bunch of stuff where you called him Georgie claiming it was a slur?
Lol
“allowed” by who?
Moderators own shit.
I’m a moderator for a community, but never in my mind this idea came to me. I’m just there to help the community and that’s all.
Ultimately the only one who owns it is the admin. And the admin should know if a mod is abusing his powers
Moderators don’t own the community, but they own the community address - they have absolute control over it and can set the rules. If the community don’t like that, they’re free to move to a new address and make their own, with blackjack and hookers, etc.
The admin owns the instance, which in turn can overrule the moderators. If the community don’t like that, they’re free to move to a new instance, with blackjack and hookers, etc.
Basically the whole system was set up so everyone will eventually have blackjack and hookers.
Is this the right way to get admin attention then? If no, what is the proper recourse?
Mods should have the power to ban I just don’t want to be banned for made up BS reasons.
That’s the problem with moderation in general, it’s entirely subjective.
Obviously the person doing the banning did not think it was a made up BS reason.
If they thought that they would be completely unfit to run a community anyway.
There was nothing even remotely homophobic about what OP said in the banned posts.
Maybe the Mod thinks the ban is deserved, but they definitely knew the reason was made up because they made it up.
You’re what’s known as a “good moderator” and frankly, I think most mods fit that description, too.
But you have the control of your community, that’s part of the appeal of Lemmy. Once admins start policing petty disagreements, we’re moving toward reddit
This isn’t a petty disagreement. I don’t care that I was banned. I want to know if it is acceptable on this instance to list a fake reason when banning someone.
I didn’t mean you were petty, I meant like… Admins should step in if someone is posting child porn or something, not community bans
The admin owns the instance the community is on, but the communities themselves are created by moderators. They can do whatever they want that doesn’t break the rules that govern the entire instance. Which includes banning users from their communities for any reason they want
Here’s the thing: no one’s going to do anything about it, but technically this may amount to libel.
On reddit you’re banned via private message, so no one knows why you’d been banned, even if the reason is bogus. If someone accuses you of something in a comment, you can defend yourself. You have the right to reply. But in the fediverse you’re banned and if the mod does it for a made-up reason, that false reason is publicly viewable in the modlog without you being able to do anything about it. They’ve maliciously damaged your reputation without any recourse, right to defend yourself / right of reply.
Now imagine at one point OP’s username is linked to their actual name. An employer does a google, finds they’ve been banned for homophobia. Some arsehole doxxes OP, and sends a picture of their being banned for homophobia to their employer. They’re fired for allegedly being homophobic on social media. At that point, a good lawyer could potentially prove libel and damages caused. OP’s clearly annoyed by all this. Now imagine someone with too much time and money on their hands.
It’s real amateur hour shit. Sure being sued for libel is incredibly unlikely, but there are only downsides to not erring on the side of caution with stuff like this. Want to ban someone? Make up a generic or non-defamatory reason, or simply call them a dickhead, and go on with your day.
Stuff like this, the failure to respect GDPR/Privacy and NetzDG laws, a failure to properly deal with CSAM material… it’s a ticking time bomb under the whole fediverse.
No one is disagreeing that mods can ban for any reason. But if I link a reading comprehension course to someone in a reply, because they are dumb as fuck, are they allowed to put any reason they want there such as homophobia? If that is the case, I could ban someone for spamming their youtube channel but list the reason as ‘dropping n bombs’.
The instance doesn’t have rules barring it, so yeah; they are allowed to. As shitty as it is.
Kinda counterproductive though don’t you think ? If a person is that emotionally fragile they are not able manage things if they’re getting their feelings involved like that
What do you mean counterproductive?
While mods should be able to ban for any reason, their reason listed should be accurate, IMO. Otherwise they’re just power tripping and that shouldn’t be allowed.
Indeed, but I don’t expect much accuracy from people on a conservative community
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Do not turn this site into another Reddit. I was permanently banned from Reddit because the fucking Russian shills cried over a comment I made about the war.
If you want to see Reddit on lemmy, head over to Politics on Lemmy World.
Holy shit the bias is absurdly obvious there.
It’s obvious everywhere. If anything it’s often worse in the fediverse, because communities are smaller and extremists are more able to dominate the discussion.
Thanks for the tip, I signed up and waiting for the confirmation.
Why would you sign up for something that is just like Reddit after complaining about Reddit?
I mean, isn’t the point of the fediverse that you can just jump to another instance? There isn’t a central authority like there is with reddit.
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Here’s my take on it- if you were posting in the conservative community you were looking for a fight. They post bad faith takes and misinformation with a ferocity that Russia would be proud of.
But what’s your expected resolution here? Lemm.ee is an instance built around curating your own experience. Clearly the conservative community is detrimental to your experience, so if I were you I’d stay away.
The only other alternative is lemme.ee admins step in, which goes against the philosophy of the instance
A lot of replies are missing the point. I know full well that sub is full of garbage and I don’t care I got banned. The issue is, why are moderators listing fake reasons on the public mod log?
@sunaurus@lemm.ee ?
Who cares lol, if you suspect then just jump to another instance. You aren’t helpless. They could start banning people for writing an odd amount of vowels if they wanted to, and they’d be in the right.
That’s not my concern but thanks.
Softies that are downvoting, I assume this is ok? Good to know lol
What r you trying to accomplish with this post
I want clarification that it is ok to list any reason you want when banning someone.
Specifically a made up and false reason. None of what was banned in those screenshots were remotely homophobic. This particular mod is extremely ban happy and has resorted to using BS reasons to report those he doesn’t like.
I realize they’re allowed to ban people from their own communities, but shouldn’t their listed reasons at least be accurate?
There may not be a lemmy rule against it, but damaging someone’s reputation with false accusations is libel.
It’d be interesting to see this in the courts. Would lemm.ee stand as accused, facilitator, or witness?
Welll yes they should be.
But you have to remember here that there is no pre screening of mental and emotional acuity to be a moderate.
Nor are their behaviors held to account because most admins do the same.
A moderator acting out of personal dislike undermines the very purpose of a healthy online community: fostering open discussion, collaboration, and a sense of belonging
That’s not what they care about.
Not saying this to be rude. But it’s kinda common lots of petty and passive aggressive emotional ppl doing that
Yeah, I really don’t give a shit that I got banned, it just seems fucked up you can list any reason you want and it shows up in the mod log. I can ban you and list racism, posting revenge porn, supporting animal abuse or whatever I want and it’s there.
like hello LOL where have you been dude lol? I mean that’s how a lot of them are just from what I’ve seen I mean they don’t care about being fair dude. it’s I don’t know and my personal opinion if you can’t be level-headed about shit and you are letting your emotions kind of dictate how you run your online community then I think that you’re a little bit too involved and you’re a little bit too emotional thinking instead of being rational. like it’s just an online community dude you’re not God okay I mean I know you may feel like that for a second when you ban people and shit, but it’s just really fucking lame and it shows that you can’t handle conflict very well and afraid of Confrontation. so I mean really what kind of community is that even going to be I mean like there’s not going to be any discourse cuz you’re just going to ban whoever for whatever reason right? I mean a stupid over here on our instance we’re pretty level-headed. we don’t do that shit just don’t violate the terms of service or post anything illegal.
- Get banned for made-up reason X in publicly viewable modlog, without right of reply or recourse.
- Get doxxed and username tied to your real world name.
- Doxxers send screenshot of you being banned for X to employer.
- Employer fires you for irresponsible use of social media.
- Sue for libel and damages (lost revenue from prematurely terminated employment). Chance of winning probably zero, but a bored no win no fee lawyer, or someone with too much time/money won’t care about that.
All quite implausible, but why any mod would take the risk when a generic reason will suffice or simple insult would suffice is beyond me.
It’s similar amateur hour shit here on kbin. You can ask to have your account deleted, but it won’t happen. If I was a dickhead, I could file a GDPR complaint. You only need to rub one arsehole the wrong way, to open yourself up to a whole load of entirely unnecessary bullshit.
Right, is that not fucked up? What kind of a community can you have with such an abusive mod stifling discussion because their jimmies are rustled?
I was banned once on that same community and I owned up to having broken a rule and deserved it. I’m back in it and haven’t broken the same rule, and admit I screwed up. But this user did nothing wrong except make mod big mad. That kind of power does the opposite of what services like lemmy are supposedly here to do.
Yup. I agree. Yall are welcome to make those communities on our instance if you want we chill
Without going through every single comment you made on /c/con to find the homophobia, you were being uncivil.
I can reban you for generic uncivility, if that’s what you want. Hell, I’ve been down the road from the opposite end, so I’m more than happy to do it.
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Nice edit, Detective lmao
That community name is hilarious lol made me laugh
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Im not perfect.
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People are generically uncivil in real life. What’s your strategy there?
I think both of you need to just like chill out. It’s just the internet not the end of the world
