Possibly a dumb question, but is there, or could one of the extra smart people here build, a federated marketplace to allow for direct buying and selling without the middle-man enshittification of ebay, reverb, and the like?
Oh thank god, an actual question. I was going crazy trying to figure out what that thumbnail-sized picture was supposed to be! 😃
Honestly anybody can throw together a marketplace or auction site. That part is pretty easy. The problem comes when you start trying to deal with the money. Money attracts the hackers, and your security better be absolutely air-tight. There will always be transactional fees for handling the money which needs to be passed on so that alone means you can’t run the site for free.
After that comes the problem of scale. The bigger your site gets, the more people you need to hire to manage all the complaints. Who decides if it was the customer or the seller that got screwed in a deal? That comes down to a judgement call, meaning you need some good training for your employees. And of course all this also requires fees to be passed along to someone.
Unfortunately if you want a successful marketplace you can’t just rely on the honesty of the buyers and sellers. It takes a constant effort, good customer service, and a way to provide that cheaper than ebay so you can attract more people to the site. Several have tried and failed to do this already, and they had a lot more money than we do.
eBay ran for a long time with a ‘buyer beware’ philosophy, requiring you to pay the seller directly, and leaving feedback being the only recourse. The de-facto payment became PayPal, but I remember mailing checks back in the day!
Wow I’m glad I missed out on that… Although there was certainly a period where if you were a seller you literally could not trust paypal not to just freeze (and take) your entire account if you had more than about $2000. I think that’s what started ebay’s whole policy of being a black hole where there was literally no way you could contact them to dispute anything. I’m really not sure if that has gotten any better, but there were entire websites dedicated to discussing how much money paypal had robbed them of with no reason ever given.
There’s a bit of discussion at the old place but it is defying my attempts to link to it (try Googling “Fediverse eBay” and you get a thread on r/Monero.
There’s bitejo and there was OpenBazaar. It may be possible to take the code from the latter and bolt on ActivityPub. Or look at Bonfire’s Value Flows.
It should be technically possible but it’s everything else that would be a headache - how you’d operate without huge overheads or breaking all sorts of consumer laws, for starters.
@Emperor @MostlyLazy If the server doesn’t process payments it should not cause admin a headache in most (?) jurisdictions.
Alternatively, one could focus on grey markets.>Bitejo
By the way, Bitejo was planning to add federation, although now the future of the project is a bit uncertain. It might be added to Bitejo fork, as I suggested in this CCS: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395#note_21836
If the server doesn’t process payments it should not cause admin a headache in most (?) jurisdictions.
It depends on how it works - if you just want a small ads type thing where you are allowing someone to say they have a thing and another person to contact them to say they want that thing, then they sort it out between themselves, that should be fine (NAL). You could, presumably, advertise services as well as goods. There were subs that kinda worked like this and there may be communities on here doing the same.
It would work nicely as a Fediverse service - you could post an ad and reply through an account on another service (the quality of your account could act like your reputation), boost it elsewhere (like Mastodon) to presumably like-minded people, etc.
Adding bidding might be a pain as the service would be locking in an individual’s commitment to pay (as opposed to letting them sort that out between them).
@grindhold is developing Flohmarkt, a federated small trade platform: https://codeberg.org/grindhold/flohmarkt
There’s also @magpiemarket, currently a prototype: https://codeberg.org/MagpieMarket/magpie-market-prototype
In addition to that, I’m designing a set of ActivityPub extensions for federated markets: https://codeberg.org/silverpill/feps/src/branch/main/0837/fep-0837.md
I do have some curiosity in the development of these extensions, as I may try to see if it’s something I can work into an existing project, such as for providing a medium for requesting/selling art commissions.
@arcanicanis @MostlyLazy @silverpill i like the idea :)
I hope someone works on this It would be a nice project to add to the Fediverse I looked around last year and only found some promising projects that were all dead Currently, I’m looking at Thirty Bees ( https://docs.thirtybees.com )
Have a look at #flohmarkt, federated decentral classified ad software using #activitypub: https://codeberg.org/grindhold/flohmarkt By @grindhold@chaos.social
