• Aux@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    That’s not true. While Northern Europe doesn’t really need aircon, Southern Europe is pretty bloody hot since the days of Christ. The difference is that European houses are built with insulation in mind, US houses are built from sticks and shit.

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      1 year ago

      The insulation requirements in the US are higher than many European areas with similar climates. Germany for instance would fall in region 4 and 5 of the US climate wise. R-30 is required for walls, R60 for ceilings, and R20 for floors for homes in the US. Germany recommends 6cm of wall insulation ~R8, 14cm for ceiling ~R19, and 6cm for the floor R8.___

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        You know if you muppets used sane units you’d be right. But you’re using colonial measurements.

        Here’s conversion table. US R30 is equivalent to proper units R5.3, R60 is R10.5.

        …and we don’t really have recommendations as such. KfW55 is nowadays mandatory for new construction, KfW70 and up gets you cheap loans. KfW70 means less than 45 kWh/m² per year for heating and they don’t really care how you achieve that. We didn’t really get around yet factoring cooling into stuff.

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            1 year ago

            Your numbers still don’t make any sense or are a century out of date or something.

            The KfW also hands out loans to add insulation to existing buildings, U0.14 roof, 0.2 walls, 0.25 floor, so lowest R22.7 in Rankine land. The other numbers are for window, listed buildings, etc. All of that is minimum what’s actually recommended is well ask your architect and budget. There’s only so much that’s sensible to do when it comes to old construction as at some point hunting for air gaps and heat bridges is more bother than tearing the thing down and building new, and the KfW did set the standards sufficiently low so that currently uninsulated buildings at least get something and you can’t just tack on half a metre of insulation to an existing structure either. Mostly it’s the roof that’s missing insulation, walls tend to be defensible as they are and it probably makes more sense to upgrade the heating system.

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              You can back out R values based on insulation thickness, that table may be old… It didn’t have a date on it.

              The values you provided equate to freedom R values of R40.5, R28, and R22.5 for the roof, walls, and floor. Those are inline or behind the US minimum requirements R60, R30, R20.

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      Not saying that is the case, but 20% of Europeans with A/C could also mean that 100% of the people in the very south have it and noone else.

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      You’re also wrong. Mainly, It has to do with the thermal capacity/mass of the building and not with differences in insulation values.

      There are pros and cons for all building types.

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      Southern Italy peaks at 32C and low humidity. That is absolutely nowhere close to the heat we get in much of the US.

      US houses are most definitely built with insulation in mind. That point is somehow more laughable than you not knowing your own temps.

      Literally every part of your claim is incorrect.

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        Southern Italy peaked at over 50° C this year, and do you really think a country completely surrounded by an ocean has low humidity?

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          Yes, comparatively.

          Also I assure you no one is making building code choices based on one year.

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        Dude, I’m in Tuscany which is nowhere near the peaks of southern Italy.

        This is what awaits me

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      1 year ago

      Your houses would be built with the same materials if you had the earthquakes and tornadoes to deal with.

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      I said most of Europe, not all of Europe.

      I’m well aware that AC is common to have in the south but then you’re talking about like 4 countries. Once you move north of those, it’s not all that common to have an AC in the house.