• YungOnions@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    Because it’s about sending a message. They’ve seen how popular this guy and his actions have become and are trying to throw everything at him so it puts off any copycats.

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        2 months ago

        Death penalty increases violence because murdering the person catching you becomes a way to increase your likelihood of surviving.

        • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          So basically, killing Luigi would not make copycats less likely, but it WOULD make it more likely for copycats to shoot CEOs AND cops?

          Hmm… The killing of Luigi itself would be awful, of course, but the consequences of it sound like a win to me 🤔

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            No, the death penalty increasing violence is about incentives.

            If I shoot someone dead and you are the only witness, I have a choice to make. If I do not want to be executed, killing you is the best chance for escaping punishment.

            The more severe the punishment the more desperate one will become to avoid it.

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          2 months ago

          Death penalty backfires because it demonstrates fear for what this person keeps saying.

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            2 months ago

            That would make him a martyr. I’m thinking the plan is to lock him up in max for life, then control the media narrative whenever his name comes up again.

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              Everyone who saw how this thing went down gonna have to spend their lives correcting false narratives they will weave.

              We didn’t do know for snowden, public opinion got split altht funny enough it seems people have came around on Snowden.

              Either way, luigi did not do anything wrong

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      2 months ago

      Except all they have done is make him a martyr, and now anyone who wants to be infamous is more likely to do something.

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      2 months ago

      The death penalty has not been executed in NY/federal court for decades right? Doesn’t seem like an actual threat. What they want to achieve is a good negotiating position for a plea bargain because they known a trial will be a shitshow.

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    The state of New York is about to get a firsthand lesson in the Streisand Effect. They should have just charged him the same charge any normal killer would get - Second Degree Murder, which is the normal charge for premeditated murder in NY. First degree requires rare special circumstances, and the prosecutor chose to use a dubious “terrorism” modifier to up the charge to Murder 1. They just couldn’t help themselves, and they shot themselves in the foot.

    The advantage to the prosecution to a simple Murder 2 charge is that motive really doesn’t matter much. They just have to prove that Luigi pulled the trigger. But with the terrorism modifier, the trial will no devolve into lengthy discussions about his motives and message. Not only have they now given him the world’s largest soapbox, but this will also give the defense an opportunity to make him much more sympathetic to the jury. With only a Murder 2 charge, the defense lawyer would have had to fight hard to sneak subtle hints into trial about Luigi’s motives. Now his motives will be a core part of the prosecution’s case.

    With a simple Murder 2 trial, even jurors who thought Thompson got what he deserved could vote to convict based simply on the letter of the law. Luigi killed an evil man, but he still has to face the consequences like any other criminal. Now the jury will clearly see that the system isn’t treating him like any other criminal. The prosecutors, through their own actions, are making Luigi’s case for him - the justice system is completely rigged in favor of the rich and powerful, and the only way they can ever be held accountable is through violence.

    All it takes is one juror of twelve to look around at the situation and say, “this is bullshit. I’m not going to convict.” Sure, they can try him again with a new jury if he’s not found unanimously not-guilty, but that jury will have an even greater risk of jury nullification. The longer this goes on, the more likely the prosecutor just has to offer him some sweetheart plea deal just to get him convicted of something. And each trial just elevates Mangione that much closer to literal Sainthood in the popular imagination.

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    My personal tinfoil hat is that they are seeking the death penalty so he accepts a deal. They are scared of jury nullification.

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      That isn’t tinfoil-hat at all. I was reading a news story recently about how worried they are that they’ll have trouble finding impartial jurors, since there’s so much sympathy for him.

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        How exactly does this work? How do they determine someone to be impartial? If they weed out people for having sympathy but keep people who don’t, aren’t they making that jury partial to finding him guilty?

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          The jury is supposed to be unbiased, i.e. not favoring one side or the other. Obviously, it’s impossible to get a jury that’s completely impartial, especially in a case that’s as high-profile as this one, but they have to try.

          They ask the jurors questions and then each side has the opportunity to remove ones that they deem problematic.

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      That’s normal though. I mean it shouldn’t be, but they always go as hard as they can hoping you’ll plead guilty to avoid a trial. When they say the death penalty is meant to dissuade criminals, they know it doesn’t work on crimes. It works on getting guilty pleas.

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      They haven’t said they are seeking the death penalty. They have charged him with a crime where they could seek it.

      But I agree they’re pushing for a deal.

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      Then we need to make him a saint.

      St. Luigi of Baltimore, forgive us our debts, deliver us from the greed of the wicked…

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        They spent last 25 years deploying infrastructure for oppression because peasants have nothing to hide.

        I bet owner class is looking to test how good it is.

        The media blitz early is a fail but they got a lot of other tools.

        Did you see the drones bros!?

        Omg bro UFOs omg dont pay attention to dead CEO bro, trust me bro.

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      2 months ago

      I kind of think they don’t know what to do about this.

      It doesn’t seem smart for them to make him a martyr. Doesn’t seem smart to Epstein him.

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        I’ve been thinking for a few years now that, since no one with power ever seems to know what they’re doing, there’s something about power itself that makes the person who holds it selfish and incompetent.

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        Read the picture’s caption and tell me if any of the nouns used can be context for “they”, please.