• WhyEssEff [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    There’s a root of a well-meaning vegan argument in D*stiny’s post, i.e. the removal of consent/autonomy in the case of killing which is oft overlooked when it comes to animals.

    However, it’s D*stiny, so he’s being an edgelord contrarian with no stake in the game, as usual, and when this argument is made insincerely it becomes infinitely grosser, because you have to know he only posted it for the shock value of bestiality wrapped in the guise of debate aestheticism lea-tired

    edit: thanks for the cw

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        it’s double the shock value when you realize he’s proud of being a sociopath.

        “Dark Triad” stanning Redditbrain. Not even once.

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          I’m not gonna dig to find the video but it’s in there somewhere when he’s talking about morality - he lets it drop that we think he’s feeling emotions because he’s emoting when the reality is that he doesn’t really feel anything and never has that he can remember.

          • Yikes, that’s concerning. Struggle session maybe inbound - It’s good to have people like that identified so we can all be wary of them. People with antisocial personality disorder and to a lesser degree narcissistic personality disorder can be very dangerous to individuals and broader society. It’s not their fault that they are that way, but I don’t think we can afford to just write it off like it’s a standard neurodivergence. Under a capitalist system, the worst of their instincts are activity encouraged.

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    I think a primary difference in the impulses that drive liberalism and leftism is that a leftist will realize they’re taking part in something cruel and think “this is fucked up, I should stop” while a dedicated liberal will come to the same realization and think “welp, seal’s broken, might as well go whole-hog evil.”

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      How to spot a liberal: “No ethical consumption under capitalism.”

      The meaning has been perverted to mean “All consumption is equally unethical.” And you can ignore the capitalism part entirely because of capitalist realism.

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    Reminds me of a guy in one of my college classes who kept asking

    cw: sv and general debatekid ickiness

    “If the two parties consent, why should incest be illegal?” in an attempt to catch libs in some sort of ethical gotcha moment

    He shut up real quick when I pointed out that because of the inherent power dynamics of a familial relationship, it’s almost impossible to provide consent in cases of incest because that shit is coerced up the wazoo

    Also that it was really fuckin weird that he kept bringing it up, because it was like the third time he did it in regards to three different discussions about consent

    Straight white dudes are something else a lot of the time

  • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Beating up the various “influencer” people from time to time would do a lot to put some fear into them about the things they say and spread to huge audiences online.

    Call me an adventurist or whatever but the quickest pathway to getting them to shut the fuck up is realising there could actually be personal consequences for the shit they do and say.

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      And then they will monetize the story of how they got beat up by the evil tankies and gain even more money and a larger audience. Vaush and Destiny have a lot of money. If someone beats them up they will just get a bodyguard or something. While you might get punished for your (admittedly extremely based) deed.

      Just look at Richard Spencer. Did getting decked in the face on live television do anything to stop him being fascist scum?

      With all of this being said: make sure you beat them to a pulp while they are on stream. Bonus points if it gets them banned from Twitch.

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          I think he became the more socially acceptable neoliberal western chauvinist Democrat voting kind of fash.

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    always find it fucked when people will make the beastiality to animal agriculture comparison, then proceed to use it as a pro-beastiality argument rather than an anti-animal ag one. like how is that the conclusion you draw from this

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      For some that have Main Character Syndrome, what they were already doing can’t be wrong and should never be examined more closely, so the conclusion is that what they were already doing is good and normal and everything else must cleave in favor of that assumption.

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      As someone who doesn’t know the scene, I think the general point is that if you’re okay with animals being locked up, tortured, impregnated, killed, etc. without their consent, then you no longer can condemn bestiality on those terms.

      Back when I was a major LIB I followed that line of reasoning for a hot second to the conclusion that it must not be that bad. Then I was like wait wtf this is messed up, went vegan, and now take a more consistent hardline stance on animal consent.

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    funny clown hammer has been saying openly pedophilic things for at least 5 years, his bestiality notwithstanding. “Cancel culture” was never real.

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        Extreme short version: fedposting paid and promoted him as part of their efforts to counter “socialist” art across the country. He was chosen specifically because of his smug “my art doesn’t mean anything and/or you just wouldn’t get it, lol” attitude compared to leftist output at the time which was often easy to understand messaging.

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          I’m really curious if Warhol actually moved the needle on anything. Like, OK, so he took up space in some ritzy galleries that might have gone to some art with genuine intent behind it. But, did that actually sway outlooks? Kinda seems like they were just throwing money at anything and anyone with “anti-communist” in the description.

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            As part of a larger ideological push, yes, there are still lasting benefits for fedposting that came of those efforts. “Show, don’t tell” making it nearly impossible as an industrial standard to convey ideas to an audience outside of “what do you think?” is one example of that. That wasn’t directly Andy Warhol’s wheelhouse, but he was a paid contributor to those efforts.

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            The point is more that by sponsoring all the Andy Warhols of the art world it ensured the entire high art scene would remain vapid and harmless while being a “cultural prestige” thing globally. A given artist being vapid and reactionary is meaningless, but ensuring that all or even most successful artists are has a much bigger effect, and that’s what their funding contributed to.

            Because reactionaries have hegemonic power, they don’t need to do anything but poison the well with any potential threats: they don’t need to build a movement when they have armies behind them, they don’t need to find new avenues to spread their ideology when they have the media and schools behind them.

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    Fantastic, I was wondering when these scumbags would start tearing each other apart, of course after they got bored harassing black content creators on YouTube

    Hopefully these “takes” on bestiality will also attract the attention of the chuds, those two camps of sexpests, racists, and debate lords deserve each other