Call me when that happens

I’m not though. You just disagree with me so others being smug pricks reads as just normal behavior to you.

Given that I am in the company of a bunch of smug pricks, it would seem only natural to act this way.

So you don’t like this move purely because of Russia?

I don’t know whether to support the move, I don’t like the optics of speaking of your warm relations with a fascist regime, and I think it is generally a mistake to trust a fascist regime with your security.

I think you need some historical perspective on this because you sound exactly the same as any western liberal.

Hey you know who said pretty much the same about Putin dealing with the oligarchs and not being so bad and actually their government is good and cool now? The obama state department before the Syrian civil war. I think the ones lacking historical perpective isn’t me., I think it’s you guys. And given the immutable fact that I am right (always) and that I’m not the one in agreement with the US state department back when it wanted to have good Russian relations, I’m pretty confident in saying so.

I don’t support Ukraine and Cuba isn’t taking part in that conflict. This is irrelevant.

I think there’s a side in this discussion not reckoning with the historical reality of what Russia is, and it isn’t me. It really, really, really isn’t me.

If you think the presence of Russia in a place will stop the US from interfering and trying to overthrow or remove that regime, you have not been following along. A Russian ship isn’t going to stop the US from embargoing them, it’s not going to stop them from trying to overthrow the country if they want to. Russian troops or deals with Russia haven’t stopped the US from doing so with any other latin american countries in the last decade.

I don’t presume to know or be able to accurately strategize for the perfect thing to do. I don’t even necessarily oppose whatever Cuba is doing, since I don’t know what Cuba is planning against. I just know that relying on Russia has proven to not work, and I don’t like their government. If the Cubans find this to be the best option that’s obviously their choice, but I still won’t critically support comrade hitler.

I’m so fucking cool on the internet guys. I’m totally owning the libs right now.

I’m learning that this place will excuse anything, including the violent suppression of communist by fascist movements and the US state department, as long as they can own the libs on the internet.

The Russian state did not have to turn out this way. This was not an inevitability. It took work and years and years of effort by the shittiest human being imaginable to make it the way it is now. It is not excusable to spend 30 years suppressing workers and building yourself into exactly what the US wants you to be because the US has a lot of power to make communism difficult. If the Cubans right now gave up on the workers movement and embraced anti communism, neoliberal capitalism and reintroduced limits on minority rights, that would be a tremendous loss, not some kind of inevitable thing we should just shrug off because “well it’s easier to do that and you don’t want them to face what they did when the US was more actively suppressing them do you”.

I am still correct and you’re a dweeb.

There are connections to make that aren’t purpose made for anticommunism by the American state department

No I haven’t. As usual I am correct and anyone who disagrees is wrong.

This analogy doesn’t work unless you believe Cuba is currently close to being invaded. This is a geopolitical alignment, not an alliance of desperation against a genocidal threat. Cuba sees aligning with Russia as preferable to isolation, it is not gearing up for a potential war with the US.

I’m not saying we condemn Cuba uniliterally, I’m not calling for a fucking boycott of the Cuban state. I also think it’s cringe as fuck when Chinese government spokesmen say shit like “Sweden is a model for how to build real socialism :)” as did most others here, but no one was dumb enough to interpret that as a call for opposing China.

Oh we are, ok.

What fucking communist movement are you talking about. Putin is not a communist, the current ruling party of Russia was built in the fucking forges of US neoliberalism, they are shaped directly in the image of the Chicago boys and influenced by American conservatism including adoption US culture war bullshit and American Clintonian thinktank liberalism.

Comparing them to opposition to genocide is farcical, calling them communists is downright insulting to any communist. What the hell.

I think equating Russian fascism to opposition to genocide is just comical read and I’m not gonna entertain it.

Are we doing that thing where we pretend the Soviet union is still around and Russia isn’t a fascist oligarchy squatting on its corpse?

You forget that the ruling ideology here is “Fascist”. “Oh no if we don’t ally with the fascist, the fascists are gonna win”

I don’t. Not if it necessitates an alliance with distinctly and vocally anti communist and fascist regimes. I will not “critically support comrade Hitler.”

Nah its lame