I was wondering if VanillaOS would be a good fit for my parents, which actually, it might be. They have very basic needs. All their apps are on Flathub.

Have you considered Endless OS? It’s another atomic distro based on Debian. However, it’s based on the Debian stable instead of Debian unstable. Futhermore, instead of making their own tools (like Vanilla OS has done), Endless OS relies on established ones instead (like libostree, which is also found on Fedora Atomic).

So, in the end, it sounds that is better to use Secureblue as it is

It ultimately depends on what you wish out of your system. For a general use system, I can’t fathom myself preferring Bazzite over secureblue; simply for how secureblue’s superior security comforts me. However, Bazzite would definitely be preferred on a HTPC/“game-console” device. Ultimately, it depends on what you wish out of your system. As we are talking on /c/privacy, secureblue is definitely the preferred system within that context.

FWIW, secureblue has also (very recently) been approved by Privacy Guides. They’ve yet to update their recommendations page, though. It will likely be mentioned alongside Kicksecure.

since it seems to support quite a lot of the things that Bazzite does. Am I following this right?

Close enough. Usability-wise, it’s pretty smooth sailing after first setup. There are some minor things like how Waydroid works on Bazzite, but doesn’t on secureblue (at least, it didn’t when I tried it the last time). But, aside from those, it’s definitely a very viable daily driver. Just ensure to do a thorough read of their FAQ and Articles.

Any particular friction with GPUs?

Not that I’m aware off. IIRC, both secureblue and Bazzite rely majorly on this for their hardware enablement. Hence, I don’t think this should be significantly different between them.

I see that they have a Nvidia image and they actually recommend if possible to stay away from Nvidia but does it work well with Nvidia or AMD GPUs?

It should support both well, yes.

Can we maybe tinker it to get some of the things that we have in Bazzite?

You definitely can. Anything in particular that wish you to get over from Bazzite?

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification!

Was this a general conservative outlook/take on change?

Or are you hinting at something? If so, would you be so kind to elaborate?

Regarding Caps Lock, the user named “warmaster” only relayed their own experiences. FWIW, I can relate to their experience. Ever since my switch from Windows to Fedora Silverblue, I haven’t experienced any difference in Caps Lock functionality; it’s literally the same as I was used to on Windows. And thus the very same you* said you liked. My repertoire of distros ain’t as impressive as some notorious distro-hoppers. However, I don’t recall this to be different on Arch, EndeavourOS, Nobara or other images within the Fedora Atomic ecosystem.

Edit: added “you”

That got a laugh out of me. Thank you! Sleep well ;) !

I couldn’t make sense of that. What’s that?

‘Fun’ times 😂. You do you, fam 😉.

Obviously I can’t force you. You do you. Consider not posting/commenting when you’re drunk ;) .

I’m fine if you will just return to the part found below:

that doesn’t address my point that desktop pc computing for the majority of computers users is on the decline from my completely shitty anecdotal points most normal non tech people I know literally use their phones or tvs as computers.

So you attempt to draw attention to an observation. The observation being that: 30 (or so) years ago, interaction with a ‘computer’ happened mostly in the form of a desktop PC. This was also mostly reserved to those that were techie enough. Contrast that to current day; in which most of us interact with a ‘computer’ (even my (mostly) illiterate grandma), but the desktop PC has been replaced as a main avenue. Instead, their phones have become their go-to ‘computers’.

This is an observation; therefore I can’t disagree with the observation. But what’s the point you want to make using this observation?

Consider going back to it when you’re sober ;) .

I’m on my phone so idk how to do the quotes

Np, fam. FWIW, try on a new line (without quotes) the following:

“>” <text you wish to quote>

This should work.

Yes so what

I hope you’ll notice this time how you’re being dismissive :P .

that doesn’t address my point that desktop pc computing for the majority of computers users is on the decline from my completely shitty anecdotal points most normal non tech people I know literally use their phones or tvs as computers.

So you attempt to draw attention to an observation. The observation being that: 30 (or so) years ago, interaction with a ‘computer’ happened mostly in the form of a desktop PC. This was also mostly reserved to those that were techie enough. Contrast that to current day; in which most of us interact with a ‘computer’ (even my (mostly) illiterate grandma), but the desktop PC has been replaced as a main avenue. Instead, their phones have become their go-to ‘computers’.

This is an observation; therefore I can’t disagree with the observation. But what’s the point you want to make using this observation?

Wow now who’s being dismissive?

If I do an honest attempt to explain why 1 + 1 = 2 and you don’t get/see/understand it, then I’m just being sensible by moving on; especially, as you’re drunk. I’m just betting that you can make sense of it when you’re sober. If you can’t in the morning, then please point out the dissonance and I’ll try a second honest attempt.

I didn’t share any misinformation

Your very first comment contained misinformation. You probs forgot about it.

Regarding the part of the desktop PC going extinct except for specific use cases, -again- I never implied the contrary. You’re now at the point that I started. If you never left your starting point, then consider this the result of miscommunication. I’d argue you were to blame, but I digress.

Thank you for the reply. However, as the length of your writing has increased, you also started to make less sense. If this is due to your drunk posting, then I understand (to a degree). But this makes it very hard for me to engage with ya. Therefore, I’ll try to address your points to the best of my ability. But, note that I’m having a hard time ‘keeping up’ with ya.

when it comes to the average worker they have no choice over what distribution their company school or government uses

So, you’re indulging in some mental gymnastics. I’ll outline it very clearly to ya:

• You (simplified): PCs aren’t used (a lot).
• Me (simplified): Sure, but there are still use cases. Can’t be dismissive just because those don’t apply to you.
• You (simplified): School/work/government doesn’t allow freedom to choose distribution.

The thing is, you are NOT addressing my point. I can simply return it back (without adding much) by reiterating that OP (or whichever Linux-user) just happens to be someone that has a use case for a desktop PC and has the freedom to choose their distro.

the fact of the matter is most broke ass people I know don’t really touch pcs unless their in a specific consumer group(gamers). I’d go as far to say that most people would never touch a desktop pc again if they didn’t need to.

That’s fine. I never argued the contrary, anyways. No idea why you felt the need to bring this up.

I’ve read your comment three times now and you didn’t refute anything I said.

Can’t help ya out with that. I believe I was pretty clear. Consider to use an LLM to explain it to ya. Or return back to it in the morning.

I’m not being dismissive

You are. As you’ve acknowledged yourself earlier, your first comment wasn’t helpful in the slightest. Instead you chose to ‘hate’ on OP for installing Linux.

I just think that this weid evangelism for replacing windows with Linux or whatever the fuck is straight out of the early 2000s when desktop pcs were the main interface people had with computing

It’s fine if you feel that way. You’re the first to bring up Linux proselytizing, though. Neither my intention (nor OPs) was anything like that. You chose to share misinformation on the internet and I called you out on it. Nothing more than that.

Yeah me neither since I barely ever touch a desktop pc

I suppose it’s not required for your work/education or whatever your occupation happens to be. That’s absolutely fine. But this doesn’t warrant being dismissive towards those that have a different situation. Most people that work behind a desk are required to do some work on the PC. The same applies to students.

it’s not the 90s anymore

I wouldn’t be surprised if PC usage has been much higher this past decade compared to the 90s. Therefore, this comment seems very out of touch.

most people are on their phones.

Nothing wrong with that. But most people can be on their phones AND PC usage can still be a lot more that it was in the 90s. There’s no mutual exclusivity at hand. Only if you would gauge how often the PC is used as a device (relative to other computer-like devices) would you see a relative decline for PCs.

99% of Linux users don’t experience ‘random’ boot problems. Ever.

it would be important for fixing bugs, I guess?

I think this is where the sandbox~y nature of Flatpak comes in. It doesn’t really care for the distro-environment, because it creates its own distro-agnostic one; ensuring that software continues to work regardless of the shit-show going on elsewhere.

It is for this and other reasons that some developers vouch for Flatpak.

Very interesting! Thank you for mentioning this! I suppose including a link to the article in the main body would help alleviate this issue.

Honestly, I’m not familiar with the specifics. Can’t help you out further. Wish ya good luck!

I mean, like… To which Manjaro fuckup are they referring?

Obviously, I’m not the author. But if I’d have to guess, their answer would likely be “Yes.”.