• melpomenesclevage
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    6 months ago

    there isn’t really a reasoned pro biden argument, is the thing. not unless you keep it real shallow.

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      6 months ago

      I’d say it is reasonable to say Biden has been the most progressive president since Johnson signed the civil rights bill. It surprised the hell out of me.

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        6 months ago

        again, that’s not pro biden. that’s a brutal indictment of everyone else, and a suggestion that our votes don’t matter.

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          Our votes literally brought Biden into the Presidency. ANY progress that has been made is specifically because our votes mattered. They have always mattered. The brutal truth is a combination of apathy, disenfranchisement, deconstructing the public school system, and a sprinkle of brainwashing has caused too many people to not vote. Apathy at the top for a reason.

          Moreover, Biden has rolled over when our voices become loud enough on a handful of issues. He has also completed several of the promises he made and is in progress on several more.

          Literally, all because we came together and voted him into the position. Is he perfect? Nope. He could be better. Yet I am inclined to give him at least a partial pass due to the division of the entire nation caused in large part due to Trump’s Republican Party. Say what you will, Biden has NOT had it easy.

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            6 months ago

            have you ever talked to a trump cultist?

            has he rolled over? has he managed half his campaign promises? the ones people wanted? even just the ones that could be executive orders?

            (no he fucking hasn’t)

            I don’t give a shit how hard he’s got it. if he’s that tired, he should’ve stepped the fuckdownamd let someone competent, who could easily beat trump, have a shot.

            the only reason anyone votes for biden is Donald trump. if either party ran someone competent, or ecen just someone who wasnt an octogenarian fascist (crypto or balls slapping against a swastika as he screams ‘work will make you freeeeee!’) they would wipe the god damn floor with either of these fucking clowns. they won’t though. and that’s why I’m not voting.

            also, I’m in California. my vote literally did not matter, and, due to statistical fuckery, literally isn’t counted except in the ‘popular vote’ which does not matter.

            and you still haven’t said anything good about him or his policies. you people are exactly like trump cultists; its really sad.

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              6 months ago

              sigh

              You realize an attack against the person during a discussion is right out of the GOP playbook? Anyway, I haven’t said anything directly in support of Biden because to be completely honest: That information is all over Lemmy. Even a 10 second Google search…

              https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true

              …will find enough to work off of. Politifact just being the first link, amongst several, all of them saying the same things. Those are just his campaign promises. I won’t go into how he is actually leading and the steps he is taking, often with limited support due to the GOP, in making any form of positive progress on issues as they occur.

              No, you’ve decided you know better. When you do step up it’s to bitch and complain, poke and prod, exclaim some broad truth. In reality you’ve done no research. You will listen to no argument. Meanwhile, you will expect others to do the work and then either completely disassemble it meticulously until they give up, or completely ignore the work in favor of something barely relevant.

              Face it, Biden is better than you expected. No amount of anger will change that. In fact, we should be celebrating his successes more strongly to let him know we approve of the positive changes when they happen.

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                6 months ago

                I do… well not enough recently, but real activism. Ll you do is electoralism. less than nothing. and you’ll notice you can’t actually encounter the criticism.