Don’t mischaracterize what’s being said. However you don’t know what was said, because it was removed shortly after an admin of the instance responded - which is the point.
“The events of October 7th, 2023, must also be addressed, or else any morally-superior pronouncements are going nowhere either fast or slow, any speed you choose is equally pointless. The victims of Palestine are cannon fodder for both Hamas and Israel” is an excellent statement with a lot of truth, and speaks to the nature of Hamas as an organization as well as the victimization of the palestinatian population.
Hamas is a result of Israel, pretending it spontaneously popped into existance as a means to legitimize the Israeli terrorist state is genocide denial.
I, nor the above user did that though, did we? Excusing the actions of one group entirely because of the actions of another is what leaves to an inevitable cycle of violence.
Israel is a fascist, western colonial state forced upon the palestination population. They hide behind antisemitism and support from western countries as an excuse to implement their own version of manifest destiny.
Hamas is a brutal, extremist organization that was born out of incredibly poor conditions, but they’re still extremists, and Abrahamic theological extremists at that- something that has plagued humanity for thousands of years.
For the sake of rhetoric, let’s say Israel stops receiving western support-as they should-and Hamas gains access to the same resources and receives a military advantage. Then what? The genocide shifts and starts going the other direction?
I don’t have good answers to this, but there is nuance to the discussion and deleting comments to that affect is a bad look.
“The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15) - the Hamas Covenant
I agree with decolonization. Now think through the ramifications.
“Jews” in the context refers to any Jewish population occupying what Hamas considers the holy land.
The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."(Article 7)
We’ve already seen Hamas doesn’t exactly discriminate between Zionist and non-Zionist Jewish peoples.
I’m against genocide, that’s why I am in favor of a one state solution.
I never once pretended Hamas was sunshine and rainbows, and that’s incredibly dishonest. I simply stated that Hamas and the rest of Palestine hates Israel for their aparthied and genocide. Remove the Aparthied and Genocide, and we are good to go.
Do you think that if Israel did a total 180, Palestinians would still want violent destruction of Israel?
Additionally, I don’t think you know what a “reactionary” is if that’s how you’re using it.
A one state solution is good in theory, but the reality is those people hate each other, they’ve always hated each other. There has been never ending conflict there since before Israel existed. That part of the world has been completely shredded by Abrahamic faiths for as long as we’ve been writing shit down.
“Hamas is also bad” != Genocide support.
Don’t mischaracterize what’s being said. However you don’t know what was said, because it was removed shortly after an admin of the instance responded - which is the point.
“The events of October 7th, 2023, must also be addressed, or else any morally-superior pronouncements are going nowhere either fast or slow, any speed you choose is equally pointless. The victims of Palestine are cannon fodder for both Hamas and Israel” is an excellent statement with a lot of truth, and speaks to the nature of Hamas as an organization as well as the victimization of the palestinatian population.
Hamas is a result of Israel, pretending it spontaneously popped into existance as a means to legitimize the Israeli terrorist state is genocide denial.
I, nor the above user did that though, did we? Excusing the actions of one group entirely because of the actions of another is what leaves to an inevitable cycle of violence.
Israel is a fascist, western colonial state forced upon the palestination population. They hide behind antisemitism and support from western countries as an excuse to implement their own version of manifest destiny.
Hamas is a brutal, extremist organization that was born out of incredibly poor conditions, but they’re still extremists, and Abrahamic theological extremists at that- something that has plagued humanity for thousands of years.
For the sake of rhetoric, let’s say Israel stops receiving western support-as they should-and Hamas gains access to the same resources and receives a military advantage. Then what? The genocide shifts and starts going the other direction?
I don’t have good answers to this, but there is nuance to the discussion and deleting comments to that affect is a bad look.
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“The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15) - the Hamas Covenant
I agree with decolonization. Now think through the ramifications.
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Oh so you do support genocide
“Jews” in the context refers to any Jewish population occupying what Hamas considers the holy land.
The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)
We’ve already seen Hamas doesn’t exactly discriminate between Zionist and non-Zionist Jewish peoples.
Why do you think Hamas would genocide Israel?
The “death to Israel” part of their whole platform
They’re extremist Suni Muslims
Yes, because Israel has been committing genocide upon them.
Yes
So are you for or against genocide here? Or are you what .ml refers to as a “reactionary”?
They’re still an extremist organization that wants to genocide them back.
Their motives make sense, but don’t pretend Hamas is all sunshine and rainbows
I’m against genocide, that’s why I am in favor of a one state solution.
I never once pretended Hamas was sunshine and rainbows, and that’s incredibly dishonest. I simply stated that Hamas and the rest of Palestine hates Israel for their aparthied and genocide. Remove the Aparthied and Genocide, and we are good to go.
Do you think that if Israel did a total 180, Palestinians would still want violent destruction of Israel?
Additionally, I don’t think you know what a “reactionary” is if that’s how you’re using it.
Yes. Hamas is fighting a holy war, explicitly.
A one state solution is good in theory, but the reality is those people hate each other, they’ve always hated each other. There has been never ending conflict there since before Israel existed. That part of the world has been completely shredded by Abrahamic faiths for as long as we’ve been writing shit down.