• Foni
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    22 days ago

    No, from Europe I tell you, we see you as less democratic than you used to and with many problems that can escalate and screw you up (we are not celebrating here either), but you are still far from being a failed state, there are still police more or less functional, you can still call the fire department if your house catches fire, there is still a clear institutional hierarchy, more authoritarian but clear.

    Yes, the speed at which you are flushing democracy down the toilet, when, I don’t know maybe 20 years ago, you were the example to follow in many aspects, it is surprising for everyone.

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      22 days ago

      I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but I’m also in Europe and stand by my original words, they were from my perspective

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        Oh, I thought you were an American worried about how you look outside and I was trying to calm you down. I respect your perspective of course, but it seems to me that a failed state is a bit exaggerated for this, Somalia or Yemen are still a little worse than the USA in the comparison. Authoritarian, close to breaking up as a nation, things like that I think are closer to reality, that is my vision also from the outside, I could be wrong and you may be closer to reality.

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          The way I see it, it’s a failing state. Some institutions are still working “properly” so to speak. Some are going to shit, and some are already fucked.

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            21 days ago

            Yes, I suppose you are right, the most basic thing has not failed but certain fundamental and important institutions seem to be in it, in any case one can have a horrible and dystopian but functional totalitarian state, without being failed, I don’t know if I explain my point correctly .

            this is also for @9point6@lemmy.world, I don’t know how to answer both of you at the same time, but what I say is valid for both of us.

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          No that’s fair to say, there was a bit of nuance in me saying “looking a bit like a failed state” and not explicitly saying “is a failed state”—I’m more saying they’re long down the road, not necessarily there yet