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    Idiocracy is Satire that ends up being optimistic as the “selectively” bred population seeks out and acts on marginally more intelligent advice for large scale political issues that actually do solve easily determined problems.

    I don’t know that it’s evolutionist message is eugenics. Those that self select to remove from the breeding pool probably shouldn’t be maintained. Darwin awards exist for a reason.

    Edit: Ugh, I just realized Prunebutt is slrpnk. I need to block that instance. Every interaction I’ve had has been bad faith arguments. No I do have the instance block. Why am I seeing his comments?

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      The whole notion of intelligence being inheritable and letting the “stupid” (or rather: the poor) reproduce indiscriminately is basically the original idea of eugenics.

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        Intelligence is inheritable, brain size is a selective trait. Arguably one of the five defining traits of Homo Sapiens. Repetitive de-prioritization is an environmental pressure as maintaining said size is a significant energy expenditure.

        It isn’t eugenics it’s evolution. If the size doesn’t provide a reproductive benefit it doesn’t continue after a few generations. Ironically our internal special conflicts/predation help to maintain intelligence value.

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          Intelligence is inheritable

          Intelligence doesn’t even have a proper definition in the biological domain. If you have any scientific proof that intelligence is inheritable, do show!

          You can juggle words all you want: you’re describing eugenicist principles. Those aren’t only morally unjustyfiable: they’re simply wrong with an oversimplified understanding of evolution and intelligence.

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            Eugenics seeks results, Evolution seeks to understand how we got to where we are (maybe what we could do, CRISPR is pretty damn cool).

            Intelligence (the ability to learn and reason) is based on brain size and composition/structure, both of which have a basis in genetics. It isn’t totally reliant, but it provides the framework.

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              I don’t know how else to phrase it: the claim that intelligence is breedable is a eugenicist foundation.

              Evolution is a process, you’re confusing evolution with evolutionary science.

              Your definition of intelligence is incredibly oversimplified. Intelligence is not an inheritable trait (as in: the difference in intelligence of human population does not significantly stem from genetic differences).

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                I think there is a fundamental miscommunication happening here and it’s basis may lay in time. Idiocracy is set 1000 years after 2001. A millennia is evolutionary significant.

                The movie suggests a self selecting breeding program that de-prioritizes intelligence. 100 generations is significant. This would likely result in reduced brain mass and simplified structure. This would be a measurable genetic result.

                Again this isn’t likely due to circumstances I outlined above, but Judge’s model has a basis on different environmental benefits from reality. As he has stated about his satire.

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                  The movie suggests a self selecting breeding program that de-prioritizes intelligence.

                  Yeah. That is a fundamentally eugenicist idea.

                  You repeatedly claim that it’s a satire. What is the target and the purpose of that satire?

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                    Two points. First Eugenics has an outsider making breeding choices not the breeders that’s the point of self selecting. Second I don’t think you even conceptually understand theoretic/metaphoric modeling and if you do you are purposely ignoring it for rhetoric benefit. If it’s the former then Wikipedia would vastly simplify any further discussions, if it’s the latter then this discussion need not continue.

                    As to the purpose of the satire it’s an absurd mirror to modern life and a thought experiment on the consequences of free breeding without external pressure (see earlier discussion about how intelligence is expensive). It’s also an optimistic and comedic take on NIMH when you take it too further conclusions and comparisons.

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                Genes make a substantial difference, but they are not the whole story. They account for about half of all differences in intelligence among people, so half is not caused by genetic differences, which provides strong support for the importance of environmental factors. This estimate of 50 percent reflects the results of twin, adoption and DNA studies. From them, we know, for example, that later in life, children adopted away from their biological parents at birth are just as similar to their biological parents as are children reared by their biological parents. Similarly, we know that adoptive parents and their adopted children do not typically resemble one another in intelligence.

                Article: Is Intelligence Hereditary? - Scientific American

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                    Oh…I’m so very sorry. My sincerest apologies. I didn’t realize you requested an academic study. What kind of study would you like me to produce for you, my lord? Should it be qualitative? Quantitative? Peer-reviewed?

                    …or better yet, how about you go fuck yourself? Take your uppity, ill-informed opinions and shove them straight up your tightwad asshole. K? Thaaanks!