To win back support, the Democratic candidate must offer a positive and coherent vision centered on care and progressive policies, rather than relying solely on anti-Trump rhetoric.

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    4 months ago

    The left “doesn’t show up” when Dems go right BECAUSE THERE’S NO ONE TO VOTE FOR ON THE LEFT. If the Dems would go left, and not ‘tiny little peak out from behind big oil money’ left, but full blown ‘here’s the progressive version of project 2025 and we’re going to FIGHT hard for it, even if it means ditching some of our conservative members’ left, then millennials and zoomers would show up. Millennials and zoomers are overwhelmingly progressive and they show up in greater numbers than any generation before them at their age… and that’s WITHOUT ever having had someone on the left to actually vote for.

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      Sigh. That’s what I’m saying. If you want a big left platform, then you have to vote for the small left platform first. No one is going to run a big left platform when the small left platform loses time and time again. Not going to happen. When the small left platform loses, they will go to the center to find voters.

      And if you think you can play Mexican standoff and wait for the big left platform, I have news for you. You won’t win. They will write you off as a voter and court the voters that actually show up, which is the center voter.

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        Nah… Soon someone will come forward with a big left platform, and this time Clinton and her minions won’t be there to rig the primary. The DNC will have more and more young people and when the time comes they will shift the whole party dramatically to the left. The boomers will finally be the minority and we’ll get an actual left party.

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          You’re talking the primary and I’m talking the general. And every time they stick their head left (in the general) they lose.

          I already gave you the history in a different chain, you can’t plead ignorance on this. You want them to shift left? They have to win first.

          Young, old, doesn’t really matter. They will run what they think will win the general. Young does not mean they will run a left platform just because young. Old does not mean they will run center just because old. They will run what will win the general. And history shows the left never shows up to vote. It’s the definition of insanity all over again.

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            Bernie would have crushed Trump. Millions of young people who stayed home or voted 3rd party would have turned out for him. Everyone who voted for Clinton also would have shown up for him because they were voting against Trump anyway. Blue no matter who right?

            When most of the boomers are gone the vast majority of people will be progressive. The only way to win will be to go left and it’ll be obvious sooner or later.

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              I already said it, you’re talking the primary and I’m talking the general. Who knows what would have happened with Bernie vs Trump.

              What will make it obvious to go left is, drumroll please, wins at the ballot box! You have to win before the party will make a big left platform. You’re back to hoping for a big left platform to magically appear.

              Yeah like I said before, you’re relying on polling (and frankly hopes and dreams), and I’m relying on what actually happened. I think your dreams about Bernie vs Trump show this.