• LarmyOfLone
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    24 days ago

    They’ve been convinced that climate change is a hoax. Nobody realistically knows how to fix people’s beliefs about this.

    Well the problem is that the solution is unthinkable. Most people, not just fascists but also liberals, parrot certain ingrained dogma that has been programmed into them. They are deathly scared of regulating or nationalizing news or social media and want to abdicate government power to the seemingly neutral market. Meanwhile PR agencies and think tanks deliberately crafted and spread the climate hoax lie, and that side is where the money is.

    The tankies, the people previously known as socialists, know precisely what to do about this shit. Except their system is ruled by the same calculus of power and wealth. So you’d need to deliberately choose a system that will be less liberal to fix climate change and propaganda by the capital.

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      24 days ago

      Fully nationalizing news would be a terrible idea. But, having an American version of ABC, BBC, CBC, etc. would be a smart move. The national broadcaster is what keeps the news in countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, etc. from going as insane as the US. Often the national broadcaster is boring and stodgy, but because they’re not profit-driven they can tell the full, true, boring story.

      As for social media, you just need to mandate interoperability and break up monopolies. If you could leave Twitter for Mastodon and keep following and being followed by the same people, almost nobody would stay behind. Unfortunately, not only does that interoperability not exist, the DMCA makes it illegal to build certain tools to migrate off awful platforms. Facebook succeeded because they provided an easy migration path from Myspace. But, if you tried the same thing today, Facebook would sue you to oblivion.

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        22 days ago

        For news, you could set up a trust and transfer ownership of each news station to the workers for a type of collective. Let them vote democratically how they want to run their news station or news paper. Let them elect editors and managers. Or something similar to that. Financing shouldn’t really be a problem, after all governments can print money and run plenty of ministries and agencies.

        You could do the same for social media, just transfer ownership to the collective of the workers. After that it is self-governing. That would be a massive change from corporate ownership, profit optimization and catering to advertising. Of course this is unthinkable.

        And yeah I like the interoperability, the EU did something like this, mandating interop for messengers. But I’m not sure it really works.

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          For news, you could set up a trust and transfer ownership of each news station to the workers for a type of collective.

          Yeah, because if we know one thing, it’s that a group of people never has outlandish and crazy beliefs.

          Financing shouldn’t really be a problem, after all governments can print money and run plenty of ministries and agencies.

          Which are paid for by tax dollars. If you just print money endlessly you cause inflation, and eventually hyperinflation.

          It doesn’t seem to me like you’ve actually thought any of this through.

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            22 days ago

            Yeah, because if we know one thing, it’s that a group of people never has outlandish and crazy beliefs.

            Yeah and that is the big lie right there. People have become so indoctrinated with the idea that profit seeking and unbridled greed is somehow neutral and can be trusted compared to things people might decide. That democracy is itself the problem, not the influence of capital on democracy. That we need to abdicate all power to protect us from the people with the crazy ideas. Instead we now get the best or worst of both worlds, capital using the most extreme beliefs to make money or gain power and social media pushing polarization for profit.

            The inflation myth is a common fallacy btw. That only happens when essential goods (with “non elastic demand”) become scarce.

            PS: Anyway, I did say these things are unthinkable