This is a terrible take. There is plenty she says that conservatives disagree with. She does not have the same policy goals as conservatives…obviously. She would say the same thing.
Examples:
She has called Capitalism “irredeemable” which many capitalists would disagree with.
She supports single payer Healthcare when others believe competition builds a better system overall, or believe Healthcare isn’t an appropriate role of government.
She believes in a federal job guarantee when some think the government can encourage employment and welfare in other ways more effectively, or believe that isn’t the role of government.
She believes in canceling all outstanding student loan debt when others believe there are more effective ways to help the needy more specifically, or believe those with college degrees should be low on the priority list for assistance, or believe people should be on the hook for loans they took out.
Obviously there are arguments for all of her positions, YOU might agree with all of them, but the idea that no conservative can give any examples of things they disagree with her about is absurd and laughable.
This is a great point as well, but I think a large point they were trying to make is conservatives have made a point of hating her and making her a point of their ridicule with almost no solid basis to stand on.
They just react to her name and initials as a dog whistle, without any of the reasons you’ve listed.
They think it’s super cool and alpha when when of their guys gets weawwy angwy and indignant, but when the Other Team does it then they’re just being insufferable bitches. Absolutely no further thought put into it than that.
His point (as I understood it) wasn’t necessarily that conservatives have nothing to disagree with her about, but that a lot of the people espousing hate for her don’t actually have firm rational reasons for doing so, and are just hating on her because they were told she’s bad by their favorite politicians, commentators, news media, etc.
Which frankly seems accurate for a reasonable amount of her critics based on the discourse I’ve personally seen surrounding her.
And that’s even before we get into the weird thing a lot of conservatives have about her appearance…
It would be easier to get behind what “others believe” if the system they love so dearly wasn’t a proven failure for anyone who isn’t wealthy. It’s been abused for decades, and all we have to show for it is more poor people suffering. You’re 100% right in that (some) conservatives do disagree with AOC on specific issues; it’s just that those issues in question were/are largely created by and/or supported by conservatives, who have little to offer aside from “we don’t want anything to change.”
This kind of akshually mentality distracts from the issues, which is what you’re doing right now by nitpicking an obviously false absolute statement OP made. Nobody really thinks @ventrix is talking about 100% of all conservatives; to make a claim like that is more misleading and more prone to have a negative impact than anything OP said.
I never made an argument about her beliefs, only her ability to effectively realize them. The original argument seemed to imply the people can’t offer up real reasons to dislike her. Her policy to me isn’t her problem. I don’t currently see her as an example of someone who can actually get things done. That might change over time, but that’s my criticism of AOC and why her level of popularity doesn’t really make much sense to me other than…populists say things the base likes to hear. Again, talk it cheap.
This is a terrible take. There is plenty she says that conservatives disagree with. She does not have the same policy goals as conservatives…obviously. She would say the same thing.
Examples:
She has called Capitalism “irredeemable” which many capitalists would disagree with.
She supports single payer Healthcare when others believe competition builds a better system overall, or believe Healthcare isn’t an appropriate role of government.
She believes in a federal job guarantee when some think the government can encourage employment and welfare in other ways more effectively, or believe that isn’t the role of government.
She believes in canceling all outstanding student loan debt when others believe there are more effective ways to help the needy more specifically, or believe those with college degrees should be low on the priority list for assistance, or believe people should be on the hook for loans they took out.
Obviously there are arguments for all of her positions, YOU might agree with all of them, but the idea that no conservative can give any examples of things they disagree with her about is absurd and laughable.
This is a great point as well, but I think a large point they were trying to make is conservatives have made a point of hating her and making her a point of their ridicule with almost no solid basis to stand on.
They just react to her name and initials as a dog whistle, without any of the reasons you’ve listed.
They think it’s super cool and alpha when when of their guys gets weawwy angwy and indignant, but when the Other Team does it then they’re just being insufferable bitches. Absolutely no further thought put into it than that.
His point (as I understood it) wasn’t necessarily that conservatives have nothing to disagree with her about, but that a lot of the people espousing hate for her don’t actually have firm rational reasons for doing so, and are just hating on her because they were told she’s bad by their favorite politicians, commentators, news media, etc.
Which frankly seems accurate for a reasonable amount of her critics based on the discourse I’ve personally seen surrounding her.
And that’s even before we get into the weird thing a lot of conservatives have about her appearance…
Correct ^
It would be easier to get behind what “others believe” if the system they love so dearly wasn’t a proven failure for anyone who isn’t wealthy. It’s been abused for decades, and all we have to show for it is more poor people suffering. You’re 100% right in that (some) conservatives do disagree with AOC on specific issues; it’s just that those issues in question were/are largely created by and/or supported by conservatives, who have little to offer aside from “we don’t want anything to change.”
This kind of akshually mentality distracts from the issues, which is what you’re doing right now by nitpicking an obviously false absolute statement OP made. Nobody really thinks @ventrix is talking about 100% of all conservatives; to make a claim like that is more misleading and more prone to have a negative impact than anything OP said.
I never made an argument about her beliefs, only her ability to effectively realize them. The original argument seemed to imply the people can’t offer up real reasons to dislike her. Her policy to me isn’t her problem. I don’t currently see her as an example of someone who can actually get things done. That might change over time, but that’s my criticism of AOC and why her level of popularity doesn’t really make much sense to me other than…populists say things the base likes to hear. Again, talk it cheap.