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    11 months ago

    If Putin (or Trump, or Xi) one day jumps on the news saying the sky is blue, I’d totally look up with prejudice.

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      11 months ago

      This is not really something to be proud of. It’s an admission of completely reactionary behaviour.

      It’s OK to observe reality. Inventing a false one to suit your ideology is what the nazis do, and they’re much better at it than liberals are. They will win at it.

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          11 months ago

          Part of the success of liberal propaganda is getting liberals to performatively tell each other how propagandised they are as if it is totally normal, and for them to praise each other for it.

          It’s the same mindset as when workers boast about how hard they have to work, as if it’s a good thing. Pride in being over worked, and admonishing other workers for not having it as hard as they do. Literally a culture of shaming other workers for not exploiting themselves hard enough for the bourgeoisie owners. They say it to each other with pride, not realising how much they’re fucking themselves over.

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            11 months ago

            so-true just i few more years and ill be rich

            Also as funny thing as soon as was gonns upbear your comment the second paragraf showen up.

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            11 months ago

            the advantage that fascists have over liberals is that fascists can openly make shit up and don’t care if they have to change what they’re saying, whereas liberals have to occasionally jump through hoops to justify cognitive dissonance. Liberals believe everything they say and think there’s personal virtue in being naive. Fascists have a similar belief that feeling numb and misanthropic is a personal virtue, but that just helps them say more reactionary gibberish

            I guess there are cynical liberals who just know how to parrot the language, but that seems more situational

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              11 months ago

              I feel like I’m walking over people’s graves with these images sometimes, but who would you even ask about what is respectful and what is too far?

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        11 months ago

        I don’t know. As an anarchist, I do rather agree. However, it extends to all who pursue and attain power over others. That desire and the anti-social behavior typically necessary, historically, to succeed makes me inherently suspicious of their motives, which have also been shown historically to frequently not be aligned with the interests of the working class.

        And secondly, if an emergency broadcast went out worldwide, from the UN chambers, featuring Putin, Trump, Xi, and, I don’t know, Guy Goma that was to the effect of:

        “Citizens of the world. We are reaching you on this special emergency broadcast to inform you that the sky is blue. I repeat, the sky is blue. Goodnight.”

        I’m pretty sure that all of us would be rather confused and suspicious of the statement and feel a need to validate it. Even if for no other reason but it being a very weird statement to make.

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      11 months ago

      Maybe try understanding the currents of material conditions informing ideology instead of solely reacting to the world around you being subsumed by ideology.

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        11 months ago

        Let’s pretend you’re right: I have no idea how propaganda works… but Putin does! He has a history of creating fake news, bombing his own population and backstapping his political allies to gain more power.

        So you’ll understand I’m always a bit suspicious about anything he says.

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      11 months ago

      So if Xi would ever mention that jumping into a bucket full of excrement is a bad idea, you’d consider covering yourself in piss and shit to own Mr. Pooh and the tankies? Sweet! I’d better make that phone call with Xi right now xicko

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        11 months ago

        I don’t know what does that mean.