Peace looks like guaranteeing Ukrainian neutrality by taking NATO membership off the table and likely ceding the DPR and LPR to the Russian federation at this point.
We also get a lot of shock at the fact that some of us think, in that situation, Ukraine would have to give independence and security guarantees to the Donbas & Crimea. Many of us think that given the realities of the civil war there over the last 8 years or so, plus this conflict, it’s probably the only way to prevent retributory ethnic cleansing in the region. It has nothing to do with ideas of fairness or sovereignty or any other nebulous concept; it’s about what’s least worst for the working class there.
I’ve seen many other such comments in the past week lurking here, so it definitely comes up every now and then. I can also see the logic behind these comments, even if I don’t agree with the logic myself.
The question was about pro-Putin. These are clearly anti-war posts. I don’t think you can reasonably describe these as being pro-Putin or even anti-Ukraine.
As others have said, the vast majority of us ARE anti-Ukraine and that might indeed sound like pro-Russia to outsiders, but these posts are not it. We just want fascists removed from power in Ukraine and peace returned to the Ukrainian people. There hasn’t been peace in Ukraine since 2014.
If you search for Russia on hexbear, you find comments like this quite quickly, like:
https://hexbear.net/comment/3738463
https://hexbear.net/comment/3765816
I’ve seen many other such comments in the past week lurking here, so it definitely comes up every now and then. I can also see the logic behind these comments, even if I don’t agree with the logic myself.
The question was about pro-Putin. These are clearly anti-war posts. I don’t think you can reasonably describe these as being pro-Putin or even anti-Ukraine.
As others have said, the vast majority of us ARE anti-Ukraine and that might indeed sound like pro-Russia to outsiders, but these posts are not it. We just want fascists removed from power in Ukraine and peace returned to the Ukrainian people. There hasn’t been peace in Ukraine since 2014.
neither of these comments are pro-putin