“Some of you may be willing to die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” but unironically

Edit: The user has since apologised https://hexbear.net/comment/3848285

  • lesseva96English
    1·
    1 year ago

    I did know. That why I remember the Budapest Memorandum, in which Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty was guaranteed by Russia in exchange for their nukes. I wonder why y’all didn’t bring that up?

    • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      27·
      1 year ago

      The Budapest memorandum??? You have got to be kidding me. A 30-year old document written shortly after the collapse of the USSR is somehow worthy of discussion? And it’s Russia that should be critiqued for breaching it? Euromaidan was a coup of the Ukrainian government led by far right militias funded by the United States Department, which then installed their own puppet government with their picked stooges. This government then continually shelled another russian-speaking part of Ukraine for 8 years (in spite of other treaties I might add). The Budapest memorandum was already trampled by the United States and then Ukraine itself.

      You got a response to this upthread that you didn’t reply to. Maybe address @Egon@hexbear.net before repeating yourself.

    • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      24·
      1 year ago

      The Budapest memorandum??? You have got to be kidding me. A 30-year old document written shortly after the collapse of the USSR is somehow worthy of discussion? And it’s Russia that should be critiqued for breaching it? Euromaidan was a coup of the Ukrainian government led by far right militias funded by the United States Department, which then installed their own puppet government with their picked stooges. This government then continually shelled another russian-speaking part of Ukraine for 8 years (in spite of other treaties I might add). The Budapest memorandum was already trampled by the United States and then Ukraine itself. Of course later treaties were written - like Minsk II, which was breached continually by Ukraine. Russia did seek diplomatic solutions before invading - which I think was an overreaction, but pretending it was unprovoked is silly.

      And since we’re talking treaties and agreements, what of that of NATO encroachment? The agreement that NATO would not incorporate ex Soviet countries? That’s of course not worth anything, because that’s different because we’re doing it, right?