• UraniumBlazer
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    1 年前

    Preventing brain drain

    So the state should have control over who goes out of the country and who doesn’t? Freedom of movement is a human right. You know that, right?

    see this page https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Holodomor and the one linked at the top there as well.

    Bruh… Seriously? You talk about western propaganda when you link an article that references a website called “StalinSociety”? Come on now…

    They don’t.

    Uhhh I was referencing Soviet occupied countries like Poland, East Germany, Hungary, Czechia, etc.

    Why are you refusing to talk about them? Go ahead. Talk about them

    Uggh cuz it’s fkin obvious, that’s why. Cult leader, no democracy, public executions (source being North Korean asylum seekers. Oh, but they must be western propaganda too, amirite?), suppression of freedom of speech, suppression of freedom of movement, etc.

    who cares serious

    See? That’s your problem. “They fucked athiests, so we fuck them back”. You’re just like them. I am safe near you right now because I agree with you. What if I don’t? Religion plays a major role in people’s identities. That’s dumb, sure. But that doesn’t harm you in any way. Sure, tax the churches. Do all that. However, if someone wants to practice their religion, let them be.

    So that they could develop their own tech solutions. I don’t see what’s so difficult about it. Oh, the horror, China does not have access to shitty braindead tiktoks, we need to bring them freedom in the form of ICBMs! Seriously, who gives a shit. Have you asked the Chinese what they think of the firewall? They don’t care. They love their local tech solutions, their own social media, and the laws surrounding it. They get a VPN if they want to see whatever the fuck racist crackers are saying about them and COVID-19 conspiracy theories. And then they realize, damn we have it good in China.

    So the internet is just for braindead tiktoks? Is it not for free media that criticizes the government? Is it not for ideas outside the official governmental/societal narrative? Do economically protectionist policies justify suppressing an individuals right to free information/education? I can access Chinese socialism and its workings from official chinese sources freely. Can a Chinese individual do the same via Google without a VPN? I can have e2ee conversations with my friends via Signal (which has no privacy issues too) about communist ideals. Can a Chinese individual say “Fuck the CCP and Jinping the Pooh” on Signal? No, cuz Signal (an open sourced application) is banned in China.

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      My mistake, I can see now your liberalism is terminal. The only thing we can do is pull the plug. But before I do, allow me this one pleasure:

      Freedom of movement is a human right. You know that, right?

      Source?

      Uhhh I was referencing Soviet occupied countries like Poland, East Germany, Hungary, Czechia, etc.

      Source?

      Cult leader, no democracy, public executions

      Source?

      I am safe near you right now because I agree with you

      Source?

      Religion plays a major role in people’s identities

      Source?

      Sure, tax the churches. Do all that. However, if someone wants to practice their religion, let them be.

      Source?

      Is it not for free media that criticizes the government?

      Source?

      Do economically protectionist policies justify suppressing an individuals right to free information/education?

      Source?

      I can have e2ee conversations with my friends via Signal

      Source?

      Can a Chinese individual say “Fuck the CCP and Jinping the Pooh” on Signal? No, cuz Signal (an open sourced application) is banned in China.

      Source?

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        All of them are part of the EU. All of them are part of NATO. They decided to do this democratically. I personally have friends in these countries who absolutely despise the Soviet Union. Had they loved the Soviet Union so much, they would’ve had recreated the Union rather than joining the EU.

        • I am safe near you right now because I agree with you.

        You literally said that you didn’t care about protecting the rights of individuals to practice their religion freely. What if I decided to be a Christian tomorrow? In your words, you would “not care” whether my rights were trampled or not.

        • As for North Korea, here you go. Although, I guess you would consider this to be western propaganda as well.

        • Is it not for free media that criticizes the government?

        Uhh take a look at yourself. Do you not criticize the US government? If my government prevented me from talking to you, I wouldn’t have learnt something new, right?

        • Do economically protectionist policies justify suppressing an individuals right to free information/education?

        According to you, China banned foreign social media to develop its own tech industry. This is an example of a protectionist policy. By doing so. individuals without knowledge of tech like VPNs cannot have access to foreign sources. Foreign sources are more likely to contain information censored by the Chinese government (the greatest example being the Tienanmen Square Massacre). Hence, an individual’s right to free information (which is a precursor to a fair election) is impeded upon.

        • I can have e2ee conversations with my friends via Signal.

        What’re ya asking a source for here? The source code? Here it is

        • Can a Chinese individual say “Fuck the CCP and Jinping the Pooh” on Signal? No, cuz Signal (an open sourced application) is banned in China.

        Source of it being banned there: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/16/signal-blocked-china-encrypted-messaging-app