Maps and documents recovered from the bodies of Hamas attackers reveal a coordinated plan to target children and take hostages inside an Israeli village near Gaza.

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    All those claimes are unverified I’ll wait a couple of weeks before we get the actual truth from the Israeli state.

    All evidence including eye witness accounts from Israeli survivors reported that resistance fighters treated them humanely.

    All hostage deaths so far have been caused by Israeli bombing.

    500 civilians were just blown up in a hospital yesterday by Israel, do you not think they deserve their human rights? Or do you not consider them civilians?

    Do you even consider them to be human?

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      All those claimes are unverified I’ll wait a couple of weeks before we get the actual truth from the Israeli state.

      Let’s pick the first one. Perhaps you don’t think the Hamas video of Shani Louk being paraded around Gaza with bloody sweatpants counts as “verification,” or this video of a passed-out hostage in her underwear but what about the forensic evidence of rape? Is that good enough for you? And of course, you’re not going to give any credence to the multiple terrorist interrogations that confirmed they rape their captives, even babies, to “dirty” them so they won’t get into heaven, or Netanyahu or Biden’s accounts of the evidence they’ve seen, but certainly multiple eyewitness accounts of the nova festival count for something?

      Before you answer: think, have you said, before, that we should believe women? Is denying claims of rape a regular habit of yours when the victims aren’t Jewish? Do you need video footage of the rape occurring? Will you not believe it until you personally test a hostage with a rape kit?

      By the way, it’s hard to find these videos because, while Hamas uploaded plenty of them to social media, they did that as an act of terror, and most news media is not setting out to terrify you. Do you really want to see a baby’s corpse burnt up on the ground?

      All evidence including eye witness accounts from Israeli survivors reported that resistance fighters treated them humanely.

      How dare you?

      Does this family look like they’re being treated humanely? Is it humane to force a boy to go around baiting other families out of their homes on threat of death?

      [what about parading Shani Louk around after hving raped her](the Hamas video of Shani Louk being paraded around Gaza with bloody sweatpants](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelWarVideoReport/comments/174r2ae/israeli_woman_ziptied_and_with_bloody_pants/))? What about the other hostage from above?

      how about indoctrinating young children into Islam, is that humane treatment?

      Again, this is all from videos Hamas released. We might have more accounts of how hostages were treated once they start releasing hostages or putting them in contact with the outside world.

      They also refuse access to the Red Cross and don’t allow hostages any means of communication with family, both of which are additional war crimes, even if the hostages weren’t civilians—maybe they will, eventually, but seeing as they did not in the case of Gilad Shalit, for over five years, I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you.

      (I continue to debunk your misinformation below, no need to respond with more lies)

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        All hostage deaths so far have been caused by Israeli bombing.

        https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-beeri-hostages-killed-intl-hnk/index.html

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-hostage-death/

        500 civilians were just blown up in a hospital yesterday by Israel, do you not think they deserve their human rights? Or do you not consider them civilians?

        Ugh. Have you been paying attention to any of the news at all, outside of extremists’ Instagram stories?

        OSINT analysts say it was a misfire.

        Israel released drone footage and audio of Hamas agents from a wire tap, but I suppose you won’t believe the video or audio.

        US intelligence confirms the misfire theory as well, if you care. Plenty of detail in their assessment as well.

        The only evidence I’ve seen that it wasn’t a misfire, besides bare claims from Hamas that it was an Israeli air strike (that mysteriously didn’t feel like leaving a crater), is an Al Jazeera journalist on Twitter theorizing that it might have been a heat-seeking anti-air missile that exploded a rocket in the air, and another heat-seeking missile that instead locked onto a generator or some other target near the hospital.

        Do you even consider them to be human?

        Do you? Or are they just pawns for you to use to try to demonize Israel?

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          Again none of that has been properly verified by a third party.

          Both Israel and Hamas have been guilty of lying in the past and pushing propaganda and misinformation.

          If you believe what western media is saying currently about the hospital then I have a story about 40 beheaded babies to sell to you.

          Again you’re telling on yourself when you say indoctrination into Islam is bad. Lot’s of islamaphobia for someone who would probably cry antisemitism if anyone talked shit about the Jewish faith.

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            Again none of that has been properly verified by a third party.

            I gave you like 37 links, asshole, almost all of them from third parties. Nobody here is going to see all those links and think, “well, none of it has been verified by… uh… by…” and then get confused and just assume what you’re saying makes any sense.

            Both Israel and Hamas have been guilty of lying in the past and pushing propaganda and misinformation.

            If you believe what western media is saying currently about the hospital

            Convenient that you won’t believe a single thing in a language you can read, huh?

            Again you’re telling on yourself when you say indoctrination into Islam is bad.

            Indocrtrinating prisoners into any belief system is bad. You don’t own your hostages, they’re fucking people. It’s especially bad to indoctrinate children. How stupid are you?

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              You mentioned biden having seen photos, the Whitehouse walked back on those claims.

              I don’t have to see videos but if you want me to believe it then a relatively independent 3rd party like the UN should have investigated it.

              Again with the islamaphobia, the west wouldn’t bad an eyelid if prisoners converted from Islam to Christianity or Judaism.

              On the topic of children I think it’s much worse to force children to live in a large scale ghetto with the threat of death every day and deny them food and water.

              I leave you with this my friend https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyilpH5uv_Q/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

              I wish you well.

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                You mentioned biden having seen photos,

                no, I didn’t.

                the Whitehouse walked back on those claims.

                When?

                I don’t have to see videos

                “There’s no evidence if I don’t look at the evidence! I promise, the evidence doesn’t exist, and I can prove it by declaring that I don’t want to believe it exists.”

                but if you want me to believe it then a relatively independent 3rd party like the UN should have investigated it.

                Then why haven’t they?

                Again with the islamaphobia, the west wouldn’t bad an eyelid if prisoners converted from Islam to Christianity or Judaism.

                of course they would! what the fuck are you talking about? That’s extremely evil!

                For what it’s worth, Jews try to talk you out of converting, we don’t impose our religion on anybody at all. And people view missionaries as kind of evil even though they do lots of charitable work, because they’re doing it all to creepily convert people. But taking little children as hostages and forcing them to change their beliefs is incredibly evil. They would not give the kids water otherwise! The kids do not want to be converted!

                If somebody forced you to convert to a different religion, if they held you prisoner and denied you water until you agreed to start your conversion, and they posted video on social media bragging about how they made you do it, would you say “yeah, they treated me humanely?” Fuck no.

                On the topic of children I think it’s much worse to force children to live in a large scale ghetto with the threat of death every day and deny them food and water.

                Ah, so finally, you agree that Hamas are the villains.

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                  Biden’s accounts of the evidence they’ve seen

                  You in the comment with all the links

                  A White House spokesman later clarified that Biden had not seen the photos and had based his comments on Israeli media reports and comments from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s spokesman.

                  From this article

                  Nice how you completely glossed over the word ghetto.

                  Did you even watch the video I linked?