Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib refused to apologize Wednesday for saying on Tuesday that Israel is to blame for the hospital explosion that day in Gaza, an accusation that sparked political backlash against her from Republicans as Israel denies fault.

Tlaib joined thousands of protesters calling for a ceasefire in Gaza during a solidarity rally hosted by the left-leaning group Jewish Voice for Peace at the National Mall. She was visibly emotional, at times pausing her speech to openly weep and criticizing lawmakers who have not backed a ceasefire resolution.

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    If Palestinians cared about their children, they would raise them to not attack Israel. Apparently, they cannot or will not. This is the consequence. Israel is not there to exact an eye for an eye. They are there to destroy any threat to their security. That means destroying Hamas and all who support them.

    Again this is you saying Palestinian children are threats and that Israel is justified to remove threats

    The Palestinian people are too fucking incompetent

    Nice racism

    You claimed at the beginning of this that you are pro-palestine

    Yes personally, I’m pro-palestine which means I’m anti-israel not anti-israeli. The state built on fascism and oppression is what needs destroyed not the people. Nice of you to shoehorn the old if your anti-israel you are antisemitic, really filling up my Zionist bingo card.

    You can’t pretend that those calling for peace are calling for the destruction of Israel and should be suppressed.

    I’m not pretending, you just admitted to it.

    When I talk about the people who call for peace, I’m talking about other people from myself, the liberals who IMO misguidedly see peace without Palestinian liberation as the solution. You insult your own intelligence to call these people anti-israeal or pro-palestine. They are pro-peace. We can both say they are wrong but they mean well. It is their human right to protest and in a democracy individuals should be able to call out their government for committing war crimes or supporting war criminals. This isn’t possible in Israel and a good few western nations supporting Israel right now.

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      Again this is you saying Palestinian children are threats and that Israel is justified to remove threats

      No, but leave it to a terrorist supporter to lie and misrepresent what I said. I meant exactly what I said, and only that. Apparently, the Palestinian people are unable or unwilling to raise their children to desire peace. The result is Hamas. Never did I say I support killing children, unless you are saying that Hamas is made of children. What I literally said in the comment you quoted is that Israel is there to destroy Hamas and all who support them. If you believe there are children supporting Hamas, you’re agreeing with my earlier point, that the Palestinians don’t love their children enough to put them on a path of peace.

      Nice racism

      Nice dodging the point. Just because in talking about a group of people, and even about how that group has failed in a certain way, doesn’t make it racism. It is apparent that the Palestinians will not or cannot stop their children from attacking Israel. This war is the consequence of that. You don’t punch the big bear standing next to you and expect to be free from consequences.

      Yes personally, I’m pro-palestine which means I’m anti-israel not anti-israeli. The state built on fascism and oppression is what needs destroyed not the people. Nice of you to shoehorn the old if your anti-israel you are antisemitic, really filling up my Zionist bingo card.

      Great, so like I said from the start, you’re advocating for peace except your advocacy really means Israel should be destroyed. Israel gets attacked by terrorists and the result is that you think they should be destroyed. You don’t repeatedly start wars, lose those wars, and then get to dictate terms to the winning army. Israel is, at least in principle, a democracy. If you want to take out fascist dictators oppressing people, you should be looking at Hamas, you know, the literal terrorists killing Gazan civilians and blaming it on Israel.

      You insult your own intelligence to call these people anti-israeal or pro-palestine. They are pro-peace. We can both say they are wrong but they mean well.

      No, they’re pro-ignorance is what they are. There can be no peace when one side has sworn to destroy Israel and kill all Jews. Go to Hamas and beg for peace, go on. These people say they want peace, but what happens when Israel lays down their weapons? These calls for peace are an empty call for Israel to do something it cannot do if it wants security for its people. As such, these are not calls for peace, these are calls to rally against Israel and ignore the terrorism of Hamas.

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        If you said black people were too incompetent to free themselves from slavery you’d be racist.

        If you say Palestinians are too incompetent to win any wars then you’re racist.

        Its the same fucking thing you dolt and victim blaming.

        You don’t repeatedly start wars, lose those wars, and then get to dictate terms to the winning army.

        So might is right. If the Nazis won world war two, do you think they should be allowed to do what ever the fuck they want to conquered peoples because they won?

        It is apparent that the Palestinians will not or cannot stop their children from attacking Israel.

        You keep saying palestinian children are threats and Israel should be allowed to destroy any threat even if its not imminent (contradicting international law but hey ho) then saying oh but children aren’t actually being targeted, they’re just dying in large numbers because of IDF whoopsies.

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          If you said black people were too incompetent to free themselves from slavery you’d be racist.

          If you say Palestinians are too incompetent to win any wars then you’re racist.

          Nope, that’s a factual statement. Stating facts isn’t racist. Racism involves subjective bias. What I said was, the Palestinian people are unable or unwilling to teach their children to want peace, so this war, like the wars before it, is the consequence. If your enemy raises their children to be soldiers, you destroy their soldiers.

          So might is right. If the Nazis won world war two, do you think they should be allowed to do what ever the fuck they want to conquered peoples because they won?

          No, might does not make right, but it does decide the outcome. Israel has the might, and Palestinians keep attacking them. Fuck around and find out. Israel will not allow Palestinians to endlessly attack their citizens and threaten their nation. Now they’re going to do something about it, so keep crying the team you like threw punches and picked a fight with someone they can’t win against. I, for one, am not crying.

          You keep saying palestinian children are threats and Israel should be allowed to destroy any threat even if its not imminent (contradicting international law but hey ho) then saying oh but children aren’t actually being targeted, they’re just dying in large numbers because of IDF whoopsies.

          You realize children grow up into Hamas fighters and they’re still somebody’s child? I wasn’t talking about literal children. I’m saying that is somebody’s child running around with an AK going door to door murdering Israeli civilians. The Palestinian people, if they cared about the life of their children, could have raised them to want peace. They failed. Now their children are soldiers, and for that, they’ve set their children up to die. That’s on the Palestinians, not on Israel. Peace will come when the Palestinians love their children and care for their future more than they hate Jews and Israel.