• Redrum714
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    8 months ago

    It started when all of the muslim nations surrounding Israel declared war on them multiple times over 60 years, and Jewish ethnic cleansing of the holy land was always the main justification. Denying such basic history just makes you look obtuse and/or uneducated.

    If you think the west is going to turn its back on Isreal fighting a literal terrorist organization you’re delusional. The only way any of this ends is if Muslims just accept that Isreal is not going anywhere and proper permanent land borders are made. Continuing to fight that just causes endless suffering for everyone involved.

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      8 months ago

      That’s funny, because Israel has also invaded Muslim countries on multiple occasions, and even conspired with Western powers to invade their neighbors. Wars which caused controversy in those Western nations, but not towards Israel, because if you criticize Israel you’re suddenly a nazi. Despite the fact that Israeli government officials have clearly spoken out on social media many times saying that their goal is the elimination of Arabs and Muslims in Palestine.

      I have no sympathy for Israel. Every one of those 1400 dead of theirs took part in a system built to destroy Arabs and take their lands, and every one of them that died is one less oppressor of the Palestinian people. The latest polls show public support in the US for Israel is dropping. One day, the scales will tip, and the cash and weapon flow to those murderers will stop. And then all the sins of Israel will come back to haunt them.

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        8 months ago

        Every one of those 1400 dead of theirs took part in a system built to destroy Arabs and take their lands

        It’s pretty fucking wild that your brain can hold that thought…that 1400 Israelis were somehow complicit in their own murder…and also the thought that the Gazans are nothing but sweet, innocent victims without any agency.

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          8 months ago

          I think they were referring to the compulsory military service. So yes, they’re all, at one point or another, part of the Israeli genocide machine

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          Are the Gazans sweet and innocent? I couldn’t care less if they are. They’re the oppressed, and liberation always takes drenching the enemy of the people with so much of their own blood they cannot continue to oppress you.

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            Are the Gazans sweet and innocent? I couldn’t care less if they are. They’re the oppressed,

            Just because they’re at the losing end of asymmetrical warfare doesn’t make them the good guys. They started wars against Israel twice and lost. They have been indiscriminately attacking civilians for the last century and refusing to negotiate for viable peace, provoking responses. The consequences of belligerence should be obvious by now, they cannot hope to win this conflict militarily.

            liberation always takes drenching the enemy of the people with so much of their own blood they cannot continue to oppress you.

            Funny how that street doesn’t go both ways for you, Hamas’ violence and murders are fine but Israel are monsters for counterattacking in self-defense. I hope one day you can see your biases and if you were in their shoes I suspect you’d feel differently.

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        8 months ago

        You’re straight up delusional if you think Isreal is going to be defeated at this point, hell look at the Yom Kippur war being the biggest underdog ass kicking in modern history. You’re even more so if you think the west is increasing sympathy for Radical Muslims.

        If you think terrorism is going to defeat Israel it’s just going to result in Palestine ceasing to exist.

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          There’s been an 11 point rise in public support for Palestinians in the US since the war began early this month. There’s also been an 11 point drop in Biden’s approval rating in that same time. And you’re calling me delusional? Not everyone is buying the innocent victim act anymore. Times are changing, whether you cling desperately to the old reality or not.