Lemmygrad.ml is full of Putin appologists.
Some of them are from hexabear.
The oh yeah, what about Minsk Agreements that Ukraine broke?! is also a wild ride on misinfo as well. Russia agreed to pull out forces out of Ukraine borders. Guess how it went.
Tankies are people that defend or deny the shitty things done by ML states. People can appreciate some of Lenin’s ideas, but not defend the states inspired by his ideology. The Bolsheviks under Lenin set the groundwork for Stalin’s reign, with many of Stalin’s terrible practices being inspired by things Lenin did. Lenin crushed opposition and centralized power while he was in charge, with Stalin doing what Lenin demonstrated to be acceptable behavior for their movement. When you reject the results of democratic processes to gain power, don’t be surprised when your successor does the same. One can agree with many of Lenin’s ideas, so long as they recognize the weaknesses.
There are plenty of people that defend or deny the crimes of ML states. The MLs who don’t defend or deny the crimes of ML states usually don’t stay MLs. A big part of the entire ideology is not disagreeing with the party line in public. Democratic Centralism necessitates that you don’t disparage what the party internally decides on. The attitude of most western MLs is one of not letting their team look weak, which usually leads to denying, defending, or using whataboutisms to downplay the bad things done by those states.
I acknowledge the terrible shit done by America and the Democratic party, but I still insist Americans should vote for Democrats over Republicans in elections. This is because people need to make the most out of the system and situation they have to work with. I don’t think of Chinese citizens as tankies for supporting the CCP or Soviet citizens who worked within the confines of their government. That’s the system they had or have, so they do what they have to do. This isn’t the case with western MLs; not legally at least.
Western ML communities are basically cults that isolate you from outside friends or allies, encouraging you to push away those that question the ideology. You are free to leave, but through cultish tactics, they do everything they can to keep you in. If an ML acknowledges the crimes of ML states and the fundamental weaknesses in the ideology, tankie MLs will marginalize them from the group, coercing them to become tankies or leave. The non tankie MLs get driven away, or become tankies. It isn’t a stable state, as they will always fall one way or the other.
You can easily advocate for the overthrow of the government without defending terrible shit. This sort of argument stinks like the people who claim critical support for Hamas. The idea that you must stand one genocidal team is bullshit. You can take a principled position.
They’re conservatives. They demand a hierarchy where your betters are unquestionable and those below you are subservient. They promote this using the language of leftists, and the contradictions do not bother them, because words are just how you perform loyalty.
Right-wing politics are only the most blatant and fitting expression of that worldview. This tribalism is humanity’s default. Reasoned argument is a learned behavior - and some people visibly are not doing that.
Reality is a team sport, to some people. In their minds: things are good because good people do them. And their people must be good people, because who’d want to be bad people?
Oh, well if the CIA said his decades of brutal autocratic power don’t count, I guess that doesn’t what the fuck are you talking about of course he was a textbook dictator.
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The “I won’t condemn Russias invasion just deflect to Ukrainian Nazis” and “uyghur re-education isn’t happening” is wild to see.
I’m not blocking any communities but if I were that might be the kind of things I would
Lemmygrad.ml is full of Putin appologists. Some of them are from hexabear.
The oh yeah, what about Minsk Agreements that Ukraine broke?! is also a wild ride on misinfo as well. Russia agreed to pull out forces out of Ukraine borders. Guess how it went.
The ones justifying genocides and wars from dictators.
You can be extreme left and still not be a tankie.
I assumed once one got extreme enough left they were anti-hierarchical and bound to principle
It’s difficult to be that and tankie at the same time.
I’m but a poli-sci amateur so I may be talking out my ass.
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you can be social democrat left, you can be anarchist left, hell you can even be communalist hivemind left!
Tankies are people that defend or deny the shitty things done by ML states. People can appreciate some of Lenin’s ideas, but not defend the states inspired by his ideology. The Bolsheviks under Lenin set the groundwork for Stalin’s reign, with many of Stalin’s terrible practices being inspired by things Lenin did. Lenin crushed opposition and centralized power while he was in charge, with Stalin doing what Lenin demonstrated to be acceptable behavior for their movement. When you reject the results of democratic processes to gain power, don’t be surprised when your successor does the same. One can agree with many of Lenin’s ideas, so long as they recognize the weaknesses.
I wish we had more people like you on the left
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There are plenty of people that defend or deny the crimes of ML states. The MLs who don’t defend or deny the crimes of ML states usually don’t stay MLs. A big part of the entire ideology is not disagreeing with the party line in public. Democratic Centralism necessitates that you don’t disparage what the party internally decides on. The attitude of most western MLs is one of not letting their team look weak, which usually leads to denying, defending, or using whataboutisms to downplay the bad things done by those states.
I acknowledge the terrible shit done by America and the Democratic party, but I still insist Americans should vote for Democrats over Republicans in elections. This is because people need to make the most out of the system and situation they have to work with. I don’t think of Chinese citizens as tankies for supporting the CCP or Soviet citizens who worked within the confines of their government. That’s the system they had or have, so they do what they have to do. This isn’t the case with western MLs; not legally at least.
Western ML communities are basically cults that isolate you from outside friends or allies, encouraging you to push away those that question the ideology. You are free to leave, but through cultish tactics, they do everything they can to keep you in. If an ML acknowledges the crimes of ML states and the fundamental weaknesses in the ideology, tankie MLs will marginalize them from the group, coercing them to become tankies or leave. The non tankie MLs get driven away, or become tankies. It isn’t a stable state, as they will always fall one way or the other.
Don’t know how accurate this is, but I’ve always thought they were hard left authoritarians
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You can easily advocate for the overthrow of the government without defending terrible shit. This sort of argument stinks like the people who claim critical support for Hamas. The idea that you must stand one genocidal team is bullshit. You can take a principled position.
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Tankies are people who fill a jug with piss and empty it into a pickup drivers gas tank
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It depends on who is using it more than anything. In many respects it says more about the user than who it is directed at.
It runs the gambit in how its used on Lemmy.
They’re conservatives. They demand a hierarchy where your betters are unquestionable and those below you are subservient. They promote this using the language of leftists, and the contradictions do not bother them, because words are just how you perform loyalty.
Right-wing politics are only the most blatant and fitting expression of that worldview. This tribalism is humanity’s default. Reasoned argument is a learned behavior - and some people visibly are not doing that.
Reality is a team sport, to some people. In their minds: things are good because good people do them. And their people must be good people, because who’d want to be bad people?
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I don’t believe you.
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i mean, caste systems are a thing that have existed
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Gandhi?
At least until his later years.
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You’ve never seen anyone defend dictatorships?
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Oh, well if the CIA said his decades of brutal autocratic power don’t count, I guess that doesn’t what the fuck are you talking about of course he was a textbook dictator.
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