• Lols [they/them]
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    7 months ago

    you need to take a lot more drastic action than just voting, because your options are fascists or polite fascists

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      7 months ago

      because your options are fascists or polite fascists

      The Republican party is controlled by fascists. The Democratic party is controlled by neoliberals. Neoliberalism leads to fascism. That does not mean that neoliberals are themselves fascists. Neoliberals have simply failed to realize that their idealized society, if left to rot long enough, is the ideal environment for fascism to take root.

      This distinction is important, because if we incorrectly write off neoliberals as fascists we are doing the fascists work for them by dividing ourselves needlessly. The truth is, we outnumber the fascists. In order to win, the fascists need us to see each other as the enemy. Instead of lumping everyone to the right of us politically with the fascists, we need to educate people about the dangers of neoliberalism and fascism.

      We are in a race to educate and inform people. The answers to our problems are democracy and socialism. We need to spread that message to as many people as possible, before the fascists spread their message of division and hatred. The fascists have a head start, so we have no time to lose. edit: typo

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        7 months ago

        I don’t get why these people say that both parties are fascist because I entirely agree that while Dems in the long term become similar, just with different values, it’s unclear to me how that muddies the political waters.

        What people seem to be saying is that even if I vote left every time and even if leftist ideas take more hold, the right will still exist and both parties will swing us right regardless.

        I fundamentally disagree. The very very first thing we have to do is make the current state of the right deeply unpopular. What I want to hear is far more Dems saying “this party has gone too far left, I’m republican now” and purifying the left by leaving. I want Dems and republicans competing in that way where conservative Dems slowly bleed to the other side. And then we vote further and further left until we become sensible.

        Do I see that happening? Absolutely. But this next point is critical. I realize the meme about every election being critical. But this one truly is. America decides in a year: Fascism or no?

        But I’d argue this election isn’t as important as the ones after it. Even if America re-elects trump, he can only do so much to slide us toward fascism(not to minimize). But if his re-election doesn’t cause outrage and huge political shifts, we’re doomed. Two republican victories in a row and this country topples in a big way.

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          7 months ago

          But I’d argue this election isn’t as important as the ones after it. Even if America re-elects trump, he can only do so much to slide us toward fascism(not to minimize). But if his re-election doesn’t cause outrage and huge political shifts, we’re doomed. Two republican victories in a row and this country topples in a big way.

          I can’t overstate how nice it is to see a hopeful opinion for a change. You are correct that it could take two elections for the fascists to takeover. The issue is that they could do it in one in theory.

          If they win back the senate and take the executive branch in the next election they will control all three branches of the Federal Government. Trump has threatened to use the Insurrection Act to mobilize the military against civilians. Also, the Republicans are championing this Project 2025 from the conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation. Among other things, it calls for removing every nonpartisan member of the executive branch and replacing them with partisan yes-men who are only loyal to Trump.

          https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/project-2025