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    Maybe you shouldn’t train your kids to stab people and they won’t end up in jail.

    My Mom taught me that one. Never forgot it either.

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      My mom taught me to not kick millions of people out of their homes, start and apartheid state, arrest any dissenters, commit numerous war crimes, and then drop over 6,000 bombs on millions of innocent people in two months time. Not sure why she taught me that.

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        You’re aware that a greater number of Jews were dispelled from their homes than Arabs in the 40s, Right? You want the right to return, then give those people back their homes too.

        You’re aware that Arab Israelis sit in political office, serve in the IDF right? Hardly sn apartheid situation there. How many Arabs have given up their citizenship? Seems like if they weren’t being treated properly, you’d hear about it wouldn’t you? I’m seeing plenty of support for Israel including Arabs willingly rejoining their idf units.

        You’re aware that Palestinians have fired more rockets into Israel since 10/7 than the other way around right?

        Your Mom probably needs to get off tik tok and go learn some facts.

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          You’re aware that a greater number of Jews were dispelled from their homes than Arabs in the 40s, Right? You want the right to return, then give those people back their homes too.

          Well I don’t want the right to return, my direct ancestors are not from the middle east. But I’m happy to support any Jewish homes be returned to them. But they wouldn’t be returning to Israel, since the majority of people living there in the 1940s we’re Muslim (Wiki, Demographic history of Palestine) so you must be just saying in general, globally, more Jewish people were displaced. Maybe?? But that seems like a false equivalence to me.

          You’re aware that Arab Israelis sit in political office, serve in the IDF right? Hardly sn apartheid situation there. How many Arabs have given up their citizenship? Seems like if they weren’t being treated properly, you’d hear about it wouldn’t you? I’m seeing plenty of support for Israel including Arabs willingly rejoining their idf units.

          You must not be listening if you haven’t heard about poor treatment (CNN, The war has forced Israel’s Arab citizens to explain that no, they are not Hamas) Here’s an excerpt if you don’t want to click; “Some speak fluent Hebrew and live in mixed communities such as Haifa, while others reside in segregated towns and say they feel like second-class citizens due to discrimination from Israeli authorities.” Oh, here’s another fun excerpt; “His ancestors were evacuated from Iqrit, a village north of Haifa, by Israeli forces during the 1948 war. They were told they would be able to come back in a few weeks, but ultimately were not allowed to, Ashkar said. Israel’s Supreme Court later ruled the eviction was illegal and said the families of Igrit should be allowed to return to their land – but before they were able to do so, the IDF razed the village to the ground in the 1950s. ‘It’s complicated when you are not sure where you belong. I try to avoid thinking about it too much,’ Ashkar said.”

          You’re aware that Palestinians have fired more rockets into Israel since 10/7 than the other way around right?

          That’s likely true, however a bit misleading. Israel dropped two 2,000 ton bombs creating a 40 foot crater if that gives you any idea of the level of destruction they’re causing daily. Meanwhile, Hamas is using homemade rockets made of old water pipes which rarely get through Israel’s defenses. But sure, both sides are bad here, and I stand by my original statement criticizing Israel.

          Your Mom probably needs to get off tik tok and go learn some facts.

          My mom doesn’t watch tiktok, she’s getting her misinformation from Facebook. But I agree she needs to listen to me more haha

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        Israel is the greatest decolonization effort the world has ever seen. Prior to them returning home, the Palestinians never controlled that territory. The British, the Ottomans were the colonizers, Israel is now rightfully inhabited by the children of Judah.

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            Are you trying to state that the region was not a British colony and an Ottoman one prior to that?

            Or are you trying to state that Jews aren’t indigenous to Judea?

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              Jews are 2000 years removed from any connection to Palestine. The Zionist movement didn’t even originally want Palestine. They were looking to settle in Africa. And the issue is not whether they have ancestral ties to Palestine, but that they have settled and displaced, and actively continue to do so, the current population indigenous to the region with generations of continuous residence going back to that very same time 2000 years ago

              Are you trying to state that the region was not a British colony and an Ottoman one prior to that?

              I’m not sure why you think Palestine being under the control of various imperial powers means the people don’t exist. This is like saying there is no Scotland because it is under the control of the British empire

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                Are you trying to say Jews haven’t remained in the area, along with the surrounding area of ancient Israel? Cuz that’s not even remotely true as evidenced by the raft of countries in the region that exiled them. Jordan, Iraq, Syria. They’ve been there the whole time.

                I’m not saying the people don’t exist. they’ve been murdering Jews the whole time, they’re there. They passed on the opportunity to have a country, they preferred trying to commit genocide instead. The deal they were initially offered was far more generous to the Arabs than the Jews too… choosing and losing war has consequences. Seems like they sadly still haven’t learned either, starting this war.

                They’ve returned home. They’re not leaving again. If you are going to use the standard Antisemitic claim israelis are from Poland or Brooklyn, check out the census data first.