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    4 months ago

    That’s the most beta thing you can do.

    I’ve never heard anybody I would consider “manly” identify behaviors as “beta” or “alpha”. Only a bunch of scared little boys who are still overly obsessed with their penises.

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      I don’t even understand why people care about what is or is not “manly.” I have a penis and it functions. I’m not sure what else is necessary.

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        I think this line hints at it the underlying motivation.

        A national poll conducted in late 2022 found that 4 out of 10 Americans believe society has become too “soft and feminine.”

        Basic mysogyny to have a negative and / or “less than” mentality around women. I think a lot of males don’t consciously realize how much they marginalize and dehumanize women but are desperate to avoid being treated or thought of in the same manner. But that’s just an opinion based on zero research on the topic.

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          Maybe that’s why it doesn’t make sense to me. There has never been anything in my experience that has made me think of women as lesser than men.

          I mean I realize misogyny exists, it just is something I have difficulty understanding.

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            If you have difficulty understanding it, try to find any piece of media in a regular person’s day that shows hairy women acting like neanderthals.

            The idealization of the female body beyond the standard of reality is a form of misogyny. It says “you’re not womanly enough”.

            The same can be said about the male body and misandry, but that bit isn’t as visibly prevalent because sex sells and the ideal woman is imagined for sex.

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              You’re talking about identifying if and he’s taking about understanding it. Most of us can support misogyny all over the place, but if men and women are fully equals in your mind it just seems weird.

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                Identifying something is the first step in getting to know it. I helped identify, the rest is up to each person to decide.

                The weirdness lies in the differences, such as the ability to bear children, which is pretty much not equal. Breasts can be equalized and so can the inward/outward genitals, size vs agility/dexterity, direction of thought… Yeah, I’m not seeing other unequal differences right now other than the baby thing.

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              I understand it in an abstract way, it’s just hard for me to wrap my mind around more concretely because it’s just not a mode of thinking I can put myself in.

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                That’s fine. People usually don’t. To recognize something in some way requires knowledge or experience. And we can neither know everything nor experience it.

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                  Maybe they should, Data.

                  Maybe if we felt any loss as keenly as we felt the death of one close to us, human history would be a lot less bloody.

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          I think your answer also explains why they’re so angry about white people no longer being the majority. They’re scared they’ll be treated how they’ve been treating everyone else.