cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/2139382

It seems most cross tendency engagement devolves in to fights between leftcoms/anarchists vs AES supporters or “Dengists” vs Maoists. Anyone can point at each other and say “they started it” and avoid responsibilities. We agree on 90% of stuff but Anarchists decide to randomly call us tankies and we feel the need to defend ourselves or else look like we lost without an argument. Likewise we make memes about Anarkiddies and write texts denouncing them and they feel the same. Among scientific socialists we see China as an ally and an example to learn from while Maoists want to call out “revisionism.” There seems to be a contradiction between the history of different socialist experiments and disagreements not really mattering to our own conditions and those experiments also being vital learning experiences for us.

It’s strange to think about how we pretty much agree with Patsocs on more than almost any other tendency yet they are almost useless because they don’t understand the basic dialectical method and why have our positions beyond aesthetics and thus cannot understand the basic material conditions of this country.

We can keep trying to bring more people into our own sects and hope they do work for our own type of socialism irl, but if we’re so divided how can this happen. Of course we should all just log off and do things irl, but then some will fall into the trap of either larping or just helping their own friends without the wider goal of revolution.

We all need to remember that the feds let us speak because we spend all our time bickering. How can we unify as a revolutionary left? There are projects irl for trying to find unity as scientific socialists like ChunkaLuta, but it would be nice to be able to do the same online. In a way I’m just wishing everyone could just listen to revleft and everything could work out, but what can Lemmygrad and hexbear do for this vision?

  • SerdanEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I disagree with you on the facts, but not even to such a degree that we couldn’t have a reasonable conversation about it. It’s mostly about the extent to which any organization can control the narrative on Wikipedia.

    But see, what happens is that you immediately construct a narrative where I am actively in support US imperialism, and thus not someone who can be reasoned with. It’s a thought terminating cliche that ensures your little bubble stays insular.

    Pathetic.

    Btw,

    In practice it means the US imperialist narrative is rampant on every single page

    Ridiculous exaggeration. Vast majority of pages are not remotely political. But I’m sure the article on complex numbers is just chock full of propaganda. 🤓

    that the byzantine rules system of wikipedia they have helped build advantages full time employed people from their organisation because the average person simply does not have the time to understand how to navigate it.

    It’s really not that complicated and there’s thorough documentation on how everything works, so it’s hardly obscure either. You’re just rationalizing your own intellectual laziness.

    It means real journalists get labelled untrustworthy while fake mainstream media “”“journalists”“” better described as propagandists or influencers get trusted on everything no matter how many times they’re proven incorrect.

    Oh, wait. I know this one. Die lügenpresse, ja?

    It means pages like Azov’s get rewritten piece by piece to remove references to their nazism.

    Literally the first paragraph after the intro has the word nazi three times.

    It means pages about war crimes the cia dislikes get deleted, etc etc.

    Like how the article on Hunka got deleted? Ah, right. It didn’t. CIA voted to keep it by overwhelming majority.

    What the fuck do you think it means?

    I think it means you don’t have a clue how anything works because you’re an intellectually lazy, chronically incurious child.

    That a bunch of people whose principle jobs are disinformation, destroying democracies, doing assassinations against leftists, funnelling money to fascists and performing torture have the interests of the world at heart? They have the interests of the american state and american SUPREMACY at heart, which represents white supremacy on the global stage.

    I do not have a problem with any part of that. It’s like with that other child who thought he was “dunking” on me. I skimmed his profile and we agree on basically everything, but if the slightest hint of a challenge to the orthodoxy is detected you just go into full meltdown.

    Your support and defence of them represents your supremacist brainworms

    Either defending or supporting the US empire would be pretty weird, given that I’m a lifelong socialist. Also not American. Unlike you, I’m guessing. The other child is aggressively American, and you seem pretty similar. It’s that inherent sense of supremacy you share.