• Zoldyck@lemmy.world
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    I’m pro-NATO and against all dictators and autocrats. We are not the same.

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      Can NATO ever get rid of its own dictators and autocrats? Dunno but it wouldn’t be as bad if it could

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        That would be amazing and I hope it’ll happen. Unfortunately this will probably take years.

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        Turkey was soooo close, now I’ve lost all hope for them

        I don’t think Hungary will get rid of that fucker anytime soon either

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        There is no prosses of kicking a country our if that’s what you’re thinking. The only part of the treaties that allow a member to leave is if they leave and give a years notice. But it’s not possible at this time for a vote on kicking a country out.

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      No different from a tankie then. They also have excuses for their preferred governments’ atrocities. If you think “dictators and autocrats” are the only evil that exist in the world, I have some bad news for you.

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        Yeah, the suckage of, say, Germany or the Netherlands being less nice to refugees and farm animals is exactly the same as Russia and China actively committing genocide right now.

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          Yeah let’s conveniently forget about the agent orange and the toppling of governments to install dictators

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            I’m not. The both sucked in the past. But let me repeat:

            Russia is committing genocide. Right now. China is committing genocide. Right now.

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              My country is a military dictatorship right now at least in part because the US supported the overthrow of the democratically elected leader.

              And just to be clear, I’m not comparing who is “worse”. I understand that a genocide kind of takes the cake there if you really want to have a pissing contest about it. But the OP above you said that they were “pro-NATO”, which in my book means they’re a shit person.

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                  Yeah that was uncalled for my bad, and I do understand what you mean about Europe. But while the US is helping Europe, it’s actively fucking the rest of us over, with European countries’ help. So that’s great for you, but being pro-NATO can only be seen as extremely selfish at best.

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    They used to practically run the place, is why they’re seething so damn hard.

    Before the API comedown, the entire All page on most instances was their horseshit.

    Thank you all for freeing us from Reddit (and Mastodon).

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    When was the last time China invaded anyone? Including China here is a baseless equivocation and basically yellow scare nonsense.

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        Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong… Vietnam back in the day. Something still going on with India’s border?

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        It is a term used to describe racists, yes. Which the vast majority of China fear-mongering is deeply rooted in.

        Nukes are the reason they’re the same? India, Israel, North Korea, and Pakistan also have nukes.

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          Let’s use racism to describe racists? Seems reasonable

          I knew you’d use the “other countries have nukes too” statement. Well, other countries aren’t as hostile as China is, except North Korea, but are you going to tell me it doesn’t get the China treatment? Lol. Israel is basically an extension of NATO at this point, Pakistan isn’t viewed favourably at all and India isn’t particularly hostile

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      1. China is a superpower, nuke-holder
      2. China failed and still fails to condemn russia’s actions and still see russia as their partner.
      3. Communist countries stick together
      4. China is the only superpower not involved with the current war that remains aggressive towards NATO/US
      5. China has now completely took over Hong-Kong
      6. And they’re openly planning to do the same with Taiwan.

      All these 6 combined is why china is worthy being next to russia in this meme.

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          Let’s not call Russia communist either lol. People who think that communism is still a threat in '23 are stuck in their cold war dystopianism.

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            Russia and its history is the antithesis of communism

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          You mean china that is lead by the communist party of china?

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            Good marketing, like “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”

            And both in practice something totally else

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              Can you name a communist country that is radically different than china?

              Because I can name 20 different democratic countries that are radically different than north korea, in turn not changing the meaning of “democracy”.

              An outlier doesn’t mean the word changed its meaning.

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                I would argue that China has implemented a one-party fascist system, as the major ideal of communism is the economic side. They have embraced capitalism, be it under the shadow of the authoritarian government, it is capitalism none the less…

                From my understanding, this is different then communist states such as Cuba and North Korea, as the large majority of their means of production are still 100% state owned.

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                It’s more like it’s impossible to name how China could be communist. They’d need a revolution or something

                I’d bet it’s not the first on the list to have it’s people take power

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                  I’m saying that china + soviet union has defined and continue to define what communism is. It’s a word that’s tainted forever.

                  Just like, for example, Christianity is defined by modern Christians.

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      Why do you feel the need to defend China? They could have put any powerful country in there really, but there aren’t many left when you have NATO and Russia already

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      Do we count EEZ encroachments in the Pacific? Only reason why China isn’t as militarily adventurous as Russia right now, is because they know they’re not ready yet. Not really yellow scare nonsense when China itself (Republic of) is concerned about this.

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        Do we count disputes over territorial waters as the same as war? Are you actually serious with this question?

        The Spratly Islands are China’s Afghanistan?

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          It would be a bit more serious if the territories they claimed were Japanese, but they’re not. China’s not going to pick that fight, because they know they won’t win. China has picked regions guarded by nations that have ships such as these guarding their territories.