One pollster sees “flashing red” signs on youth turnout as Gen Z and millennial voters, who are not satisfied with either party, could again play a decisive role in the next election.
Democrats have only had 60 Senate seats for 2-3 months in that entire 15 year timespan. And in that time, they passed Obamacare – which would’ve had single payer, if not for the 60th vote they needed.
I’m a young voter too, but I’m frustrated with my compatriots. Bernie had the perfect platform for young people. You couldn’t ask for better. And young people still didn’t turn out in massive numbers. Why should any politician cater to them if they aren’t going to come out for a platform they has everything they want, championed by a genuine candidate?
EDIT: Significantly rewrote the comment. I was stressed by irl events and took it out here to be far more rude than I should’ve been.
I’m glad that the prevailing opinion seems to be that both parties aren’t the same, and even though Democrats are imperfect they’re our best chance right now.
There’s nothing wrong with people bemoaning that or criticizing them to be better. What raises my eyebrow is when I see people who use that to defend their lack of voting.
What raises my eyebrow is when I see people who use that to defend their lack of voting.
What bothers me is the people who take any and all criticism as advocacy for not voting, voting third party, or voting republican in cases where it’s not happening at all.
It’s all over this thread, and people who are just dissatisfied with Democrats’ anti-progressive fuckery are being routinely greeted with greater vitriol than the guy who was spreading anti-trans bigotry. Which says a lot about how centrists view progressives versus how they view fascists, and which ones they’re actually interested in opposing.
What raises my eyebrow is when I see people who use that to defend their lack of voting.
What bothers me is the people who take any and all criticism as advocacy for not voting, voting third party, or voting republican in cases where it’s not happening at all.
I mean this is the flip side isn’t it? Overly critical, not critical at all, they’re just two sides of the same coin. Both are bad. And you have bad actors who are purposely trying to promote one or the other.
The fact of the matter is that we’re scared. None of us want to see Republicans win. We’re afraid of what’ll happen if they do. That fear makes us all enemies of each other over the slightest difference, worrying that it means the other person will permit Republicans to win.
Let’s step back, and recognize that most people in this thread want the same thing. Hell, they pretty much want the same political outcomes as well.
Democrats have only had 60 Senate seats for 2-3 months in that entire 15 year timespan. And in that time, they passed Obamacare – which would’ve had single payer, if not for the 60th vote they needed.
I’m a young voter too, but I’m frustrated with my compatriots. Bernie had the perfect platform for young people. You couldn’t ask for better. And young people still didn’t turn out in massive numbers. Why should any politician cater to them if they aren’t going to come out for a platform they has everything they want, championed by a genuine candidate?
EDIT: Significantly rewrote the comment. I was stressed by irl events and took it out here to be far more rude than I should’ve been.
Don’t worry about it, everyone in this thread is getting heated. Rightfully so, these things are important.
I’m glad that the prevailing opinion seems to be that both parties aren’t the same, and even though Democrats are imperfect they’re our best chance right now.
There’s nothing wrong with people bemoaning that or criticizing them to be better. What raises my eyebrow is when I see people who use that to defend their lack of voting.
What bothers me is the people who take any and all criticism as advocacy for not voting, voting third party, or voting republican in cases where it’s not happening at all.
It’s all over this thread, and people who are just dissatisfied with Democrats’ anti-progressive fuckery are being routinely greeted with greater vitriol than the guy who was spreading anti-trans bigotry. Which says a lot about how centrists view progressives versus how they view fascists, and which ones they’re actually interested in opposing.
I mean this is the flip side isn’t it? Overly critical, not critical at all, they’re just two sides of the same coin. Both are bad. And you have bad actors who are purposely trying to promote one or the other.
The fact of the matter is that we’re scared. None of us want to see Republicans win. We’re afraid of what’ll happen if they do. That fear makes us all enemies of each other over the slightest difference, worrying that it means the other person will permit Republicans to win.
Let’s step back, and recognize that most people in this thread want the same thing. Hell, they pretty much want the same political outcomes as well.
I’m starting to doubt that.