Twitter is international. It will not have the same appeal with segregation by nationality.
The Dutch Government has a much higher trust rating than ours has. Can you imagine the same uptake if the UK did likewise. I certainly would have zero trust with the current people in power.
You’re on feddit.uk and I’m on kbin.social and we’re both still here, commenting on a lemmy.world thread. Unless you’re browsing by local (ie, only posts that are made on your local instance), or your instance is very defederation-happy, it doesn’t have to mean much.
That’s okay, it can be a little hard to wrap your head around!
What helped me is thinking of it like email: I can use a Gmail account, you can use a Hotmail account, and someone else can use their own private mail server. We all go to different websites/programs/apps to access our emails, and those programs might have different features, layouts, etc, but we can all still email each other. They’re all federated with each other. And if you start getting emails from marketing@spamcentral.com, promotions@spamcentral.com, etc, you can block the entire spamcentral.com email domain - ie, defederate from it.
The fediverse works very similarly. We can all use different websites with different layouts and a few different features, but all of them can communicate with each other and show common content because they’re federated with each other.
There’s a big benefit to this: no single company can control the fediverse. If your instance - feddit.uk - has to shut down, or it turns out to be run by nazis, or they start trying to charge users vast amounts of money to use the instance, or make some other move you don’t like, you can just make an account on another instance and continue to use the rest of the fediverse. Maybe a few communities that were hosted on your previous instance will become inaccessible, but the larger fediverse will still be available.
I am fairly savvy with what makes the internet work. If Lemmy is linked then it must have a central control point. This is the piece that I was unaware of.
I was under the impression that each server is freestanding. I have a log in for Feddit and also for Lemmy.
So is each instance (eg: Feddit, Lemmy.one, Lemmy.ml) on a host machine in someone’s home or is it hosted on a main server?
Lemmy instances are federated with each other, allowing a user on a given instance to participate in a “community” on another Lemmy instance without having to create an account on the other instance;[4] and with other instances in the Fediverse that use different software. ActivityPub is the protocol used to allow Lemmy instances to operate as a federated social network. It allows users to interact with compatible platforms including Mastodon and PeerTube.[16]>
It works as I said. I never realised Lemmy was linked. TIL
It could be the same for news companies - you’d know that “@krishnangm@channel4.com” is the real guy, because the domain name is owned by Channel 4, and verified by HTTPS.
It could be the same for news companies - you’d know that “@krishnangm@channel4.com” is the real guy, because the domain name is owned by Channel 4, and verified by HTTPS.
This!
This is how Mastodon (and Lemmy, etc.) is supposed to work. The BBC should have their own instance with accounts for every programme, presenter, news area, weather area, genre, etc. B&Q should have their own instance with an account for each store, for trades people, for (categories of) offers, etc. Sports teams/leagues should have their own instance with accounts for each team, players, coaches, etc.
Then I can join any instance (or start my own) and pick local BBC news and weather, gardening offers at B&Q, etc. and you can pick anything you want.
The beauty is that the BBC controls the BBC instance, B&Q controls the B&Q instance, etc. I can even control my instance. There isn’t one company in control. They aren’t giving out blue ticks or letting bots post misinformation. When an account/instance becomes untrustworthy you can mute/block/defederate.
The biggest failing to me is that you can’t click follow on one instance and have it follow on your instance. But it’s a limitation of websites, they’d need something like how advertisers track you across websites with JavaScript. It would have to be centralised.
Twitter is international. It will not have the same appeal with segregation by nationality.
The Dutch Government has a much higher trust rating than ours has. Can you imagine the same uptake if the UK did likewise. I certainly would have zero trust with the current people in power.
If it was the instance where people could follow NHS, public health, local authoritty and national updates, I think it could fly.
We already have a decent .gov.uk information site.
Because organisations with websites never use Twitter
This is Mastodon, there is no segregation. This is just where they’re posting their updates, you can still read them from your own Mastodon instance.
If is it ran by a nationality then it will have segregation. National prejudice is very prevalent.
Umm, when I comment on Mastodon post, I rarely have any idea what instance they are on
You’re on feddit.uk and I’m on kbin.social and we’re both still here, commenting on a lemmy.world thread. Unless you’re browsing by local (ie, only posts that are made on your local instance), or your instance is very defederation-happy, it doesn’t have to mean much.
Then I have to apologise for my ignorance. Reddit refugee here. I obviously do not understand how this works yet.
That’s okay, it can be a little hard to wrap your head around!
What helped me is thinking of it like email: I can use a Gmail account, you can use a Hotmail account, and someone else can use their own private mail server. We all go to different websites/programs/apps to access our emails, and those programs might have different features, layouts, etc, but we can all still email each other. They’re all federated with each other. And if you start getting emails from marketing@spamcentral.com, promotions@spamcentral.com, etc, you can block the entire spamcentral.com email domain - ie, defederate from it.
The fediverse works very similarly. We can all use different websites with different layouts and a few different features, but all of them can communicate with each other and show common content because they’re federated with each other.
There’s a big benefit to this: no single company can control the fediverse. If your instance - feddit.uk - has to shut down, or it turns out to be run by nazis, or they start trying to charge users vast amounts of money to use the instance, or make some other move you don’t like, you can just make an account on another instance and continue to use the rest of the fediverse. Maybe a few communities that were hosted on your previous instance will become inaccessible, but the larger fediverse will still be available.
I am fairly savvy with what makes the internet work. If Lemmy is linked then it must have a central control point. This is the piece that I was unaware of. I was under the impression that each server is freestanding. I have a log in for Feddit and also for Lemmy.
So is each instance (eg: Feddit, Lemmy.one, Lemmy.ml) on a host machine in someone’s home or is it hosted on a main server?
@Syldon @loobkoob “Must”? My impression is that it does not, and is said not to, and that that is not impossible.
Ok you made me research it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy_(software)
It works as I said. I never realised Lemmy was linked. TIL
Just imagine the cringy name they’d come up with… BritTwit or something.
That’s gross, I bet you’re right
The actual trust in the government isn’t the issue, but having their own Mastodon instance would mean that you know this message came from this government. You can verify it with normal HTTPS, rather than just trusting who Twitter gives the blue checkmark to (anyone remember when the Conservative party changed their Twitter name to Fact Check UK and were able to keep their blue check?)
It could be the same for news companies - you’d know that “@krishnangm@channel4.com” is the real guy, because the domain name is owned by Channel 4, and verified by HTTPS.
This!
This is how Mastodon (and Lemmy, etc.) is supposed to work. The BBC should have their own instance with accounts for every programme, presenter, news area, weather area, genre, etc. B&Q should have their own instance with an account for each store, for trades people, for (categories of) offers, etc. Sports teams/leagues should have their own instance with accounts for each team, players, coaches, etc.
Then I can join any instance (or start my own) and pick local BBC news and weather, gardening offers at B&Q, etc. and you can pick anything you want.
The beauty is that the BBC controls the BBC instance, B&Q controls the B&Q instance, etc. I can even control my instance. There isn’t one company in control. They aren’t giving out blue ticks or letting bots post misinformation. When an account/instance becomes untrustworthy you can mute/block/defederate.
The biggest failing to me is that you can’t click follow on one instance and have it follow on your instance. But it’s a limitation of websites, they’d need something like how advertisers track you across websites with JavaScript. It would have to be centralised.