Finally a measured and logical response. Living in NYC and browsing lemm.ee, I’ve only been hearing the most atrocious and absurd takes coming from the largely emotional jewish population attending protests in the city (where I’ve heard things such as, “if israel stops fighting, there will be no more israel. But if Palestine stops fighting, there will be peace.” Which is…fucking delusional) and the e-communists that make up lemm.ee (where it’s been all immature contrarianism and disgusting, true-to-form rape apologism like, “all of those israelis were going to be or have been conscripted [so the rape and torture is a-ok]!”)
Why can’t people be human first and allegiant to their political identity second? Hamas did something horrible—their anger and frustration are understandable, but their methods do not represent the people of Palestine nor are they justifiable. But Israel has been committing genocide. I understand that Jewish people he world over have been and are still the victims of deep-rooted antisemitism, and those roots spread far and wide and are sometimes hard to detect. But that does not serve as a justification for Israel’s actions, just like Hamas’ understandable anger does not make what they do and have done okay.
This is obviously a complicated issue…but that should mean everyone keeps their thoroughly binary opinions fuckin quiet because even the nuance of admitting there is justification for resistance (while pointing out that there is a largely secular Palestinian population, and that hamas is an Islamic group that was funded by israel in the 80s) while not approving of the methods on display here, while knowing israel is an occupying force that is committing genocide while using antisemitism as a shield against criticism (while also pointing out that antisemitism is in itself a nuanced issue that most people don’t understand)….and that’s barely scratching the surface while ignoring large parts of the issue…so, my point is…Jesus. I dunno. It’s fuckin complicated and people have been awful in jumping online to put their two cents in.
The problem here is that people often conflate Israel and Judaism as one and the same, when that’s absolutely not the case. You can have problems with how Israel operates as a nation without being antisemitic. It’s hard to have any nuanced conversations about Israel and Palestine if you don’t grok this.
Where on lemme.ee are you seeing things like that? I admittedly mostly browse all, but the local feed is mostly art in my experience, though maybe I’ve just already blocked the stuff you’re talking about.
Elchapotraphouse, all the communist communities. The amount of insane shit flooding my timeline is fuckin bonkers. But it’s also probably my fault. I can’t help myself and when I see something gross and the comment section is equally awful…I jump in and say that just that. Their go-to rebuttal is “LIBRUL!!!” but just stop responding when I tell them I’m an anarchist. Which goes to show just how contrarian heir opinions truly are. It’s adolescent rebellion against “NoRmALz!” and it ends there.
Ah, that is not a community on lemm.ee. It’s from hexbear.net. That lemm.ee hasn’t defederated from them is certainly not great, imo, but the stuff coming from that instance isn’t representative of lemm.ee itself. Fwiw, you can block the community to clear up your feed if it’s really causing issues. And in update 19 for Lemmy, they’re purportedly bringing in the ability to block entire instances.
Finally a measured and logical response. Living in NYC and browsing lemm.ee, I’ve only been hearing the most atrocious and absurd takes coming from the largely emotional jewish population attending protests in the city (where I’ve heard things such as, “if israel stops fighting, there will be no more israel. But if Palestine stops fighting, there will be peace.” Which is…fucking delusional) and the e-communists that make up lemm.ee (where it’s been all immature contrarianism and disgusting, true-to-form rape apologism like, “all of those israelis were going to be or have been conscripted [so the rape and torture is a-ok]!”)
Why can’t people be human first and allegiant to their political identity second? Hamas did something horrible—their anger and frustration are understandable, but their methods do not represent the people of Palestine nor are they justifiable. But Israel has been committing genocide. I understand that Jewish people he world over have been and are still the victims of deep-rooted antisemitism, and those roots spread far and wide and are sometimes hard to detect. But that does not serve as a justification for Israel’s actions, just like Hamas’ understandable anger does not make what they do and have done okay.
This is obviously a complicated issue…but that should mean everyone keeps their thoroughly binary opinions fuckin quiet because even the nuance of admitting there is justification for resistance (while pointing out that there is a largely secular Palestinian population, and that hamas is an Islamic group that was funded by israel in the 80s) while not approving of the methods on display here, while knowing israel is an occupying force that is committing genocide while using antisemitism as a shield against criticism (while also pointing out that antisemitism is in itself a nuanced issue that most people don’t understand)….and that’s barely scratching the surface while ignoring large parts of the issue…so, my point is…Jesus. I dunno. It’s fuckin complicated and people have been awful in jumping online to put their two cents in.
The problem here is that people often conflate Israel and Judaism as one and the same, when that’s absolutely not the case. You can have problems with how Israel operates as a nation without being antisemitic. It’s hard to have any nuanced conversations about Israel and Palestine if you don’t grok this.
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Where on lemme.ee are you seeing things like that? I admittedly mostly browse all, but the local feed is mostly art in my experience, though maybe I’ve just already blocked the stuff you’re talking about.
Elchapotraphouse, all the communist communities. The amount of insane shit flooding my timeline is fuckin bonkers. But it’s also probably my fault. I can’t help myself and when I see something gross and the comment section is equally awful…I jump in and say that just that. Their go-to rebuttal is “LIBRUL!!!” but just stop responding when I tell them I’m an anarchist. Which goes to show just how contrarian heir opinions truly are. It’s adolescent rebellion against “NoRmALz!” and it ends there.
Ah, that is not a community on lemm.ee. It’s from hexbear.net. That lemm.ee hasn’t defederated from them is certainly not great, imo, but the stuff coming from that instance isn’t representative of lemm.ee itself. Fwiw, you can block the community to clear up your feed if it’s really causing issues. And in update 19 for Lemmy, they’re purportedly bringing in the ability to block entire instances.