• frostbiker@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    So, we just blame the driver?

    Have you looked at official municipal statistics for who is at fault in pedestrian fatalities? Because I did and the yearly reports consistently show the driver being at fault in 75%-80% of the cases.

    Take some responsibility people.

    Indeed, indeed.

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      1 year ago

      You said unless proven otherwise. I was going with your hyperbole. Maybe you should’ve gone with facts first instead and said “where fault is proven, the driver should be blamed?” And infact that’s already the case. Shocking!

      But that sounds too reasonable for online.

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        1 year ago

        You said unless proven otherwise

        I was referring to the burden of proof in the law. In my opinion blame should be placed on the heavier vehicle by default unless proven otherwise. Some jurisdictions like the Netherlands do exactly that. It makes drivers more cautious and it protects vulnerable road users.

        And given that statistically drivers tend to be found at fault in pedestrian and cyclist fatalities even in Canada, there is even more reason to put the blame on them by default, in the absence of data to the contrary.

        The law should protect the vulnerable. Shocking, I know.

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          1 year ago

          It’s up to the “vulnerable” to take some responsibility for taking care of themselves and not pretending the world cares about doing it all for them.

          I say “vulnerable” because if they’re actually paying attention they’re not vulnerable at all, but that might mean taking their nose out of their phones for a portion of their lives.

          Maybe distracted walking should be as much of a crime as distracted driving?

          Not PC but that’s the way the world actually works, and it’s hard lesson to learn I’m sure.

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            1 year ago

            I hope that whenever you find yourself in a vulnerable situation you will be met by people with empathy and care, rather than disdain.

            In the meantime I also hope you don’t run over anybody.

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              1 year ago

              Thanks for the sentiment, however I take responsibility for my own safety. I don’t put that on others and live my life being a victim of other people’s choices.

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                  1 year ago

                  It really is that simple if you take personal responsibility and don’t live life as a victim. It’s kind of an old fashioned idea though.

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                    1 year ago

                    Tell that to the several people who were killed in an intersection close to where I live. Mowed down while they were walking in the sidewalk. Not even crossing, mind you.

                    If you think nothing bad will happen to you because you are responsible, think again. There is a lot that is not under our control, no matter how hard we would like it to be true.