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    Explain to me how a car with a $20,000 battery can ever avoid a repair job of $20,000 once the battery dies? This is a problem that everyone will face.

    And in America, the land of SUVs and pick-up trucks, these costs will be even higher.

    EDIT: You won’t change economics by lying to yourself. BEVs are simply not viable. At least, not anything with a big battery.

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      This isn’t about the battery dying. It’s about Tesla failing miserably at building a water resistant enclosure for their batteries, them pretending that it’s somehow the customers fault.

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        It’s both about the shittiness of Tesla, and the eventually doom of all BEVs. If you think companies like Ford or VW won’t be building shit BEVs too, then I have a bridge to sell to you.

        EDIT: Again, no amount of lying to yourself or others will save the BEV. It is doomed and always will be. If anything, you are just delaying real solutions to climate change.

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            Joe Biden just announced a huge pro-hydrogen program? Is he paid off or insane?

            It’s time to ask yourself honestly: Why do you oppose green technology that happens to not be your favored technology? Perhaps you can reach a realization here.

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                Basically every left-leaning politician on Earth would have be too, in your mind.

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                  No, because not every left leaning politician is dumb enough to think hydrogen is a viable option.

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                    There’s nearly nobody left on the political left that still oppose hydrogen. Maybe you’ll find an occasional weirdo, but that’s about it. You’re just out of touch here.

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              Because hydrogen isn’t as green as you might think.

              Most ways of creating hydrogen involve toxic chemicals that pollute almost as much as ICE cars.

              And the green ways of creating it lose about 30% of the energy put into it. Energy that could have been used to … charge a battery directly.

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                And there’s one way to get to zero emissions. Just like a BEV. The criticism is just a lot of BS from BEV companies.

                Neither wind nor solar is all that efficient. Why hasn’t anyone on the left come out and vigorous oppose them?

                Because that’s stupid, and frankly it is just climate change denial at this point. Something you are doing now.

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      Explain to me how a car with a $20,000 battery can ever avoid a repair job of $20,000 once the battery dies?

      It is quite easy.

      A battery like that lasts longer than the car. It may not have done in the past, but it does do so today.

      And if it breaks before then, you only need to replace a single cell to fix it.

      Afterwards, you can just recycle and reuse those exotic metals used in its construction, so it doesn’t require more pollution to create.

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        Much of that is wishful thinking. All batteries will die, and the repair cost will be insane. Not to mention it all applies to FCEVs and at a much lower cost and lower resource base.

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      It’s not one giant battery, but arrays of smaller batteries. At least that has been my experience with them. Battery goes bad and you replace that array. Not 20k but closer to 2k.