I don’t think I’ve seen every strawman argument against veganism all at the same time in the same place like that last thread that reached the front page the other day…

There’s one moderator on the community, but that’s not enough to stop the trolls coming here to derail any semblance of vegan discourse. Like, banning carnists here isn’t gonna happen (unless it does I guess), but we could have mods with copy-paste anti-strawman arguments with proper citations on standby, so hopefully it never gets as bad as the other thread.

I’m not a fan of heavily moderated places, but maybe having a rule like “don’t post post x y z argument and watch a b c Earthling Ed video instead” would help cut out some of the “good-faith” antivegans. But then again, the omis were excusing their behavior as it “reached the front page of lemmy”, that means murder is OK now! /s

Curious to see what the community’s thoughts would be. Do we just need to relegate ourselves to the circlejerk communities from now on, or would this community actually be by vegans for vegans?

Edit 1: I am now a mod of the community. I’ve reworked the sidebar and added some resources on veganism, rules, and links to other communities. I am interested to gauge feedback on it, and if anyone has any suggestions please comment them :)

  • JackGreenEarthEnglish
    104·
    1 year ago

    If we ban carnists we won’t have any chance of converting them. We should instead argue against them when they make bad arguments.

    • Eevoltic@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      91·
      1 year ago

      True. I think we should have some resources in the community box and a FAQ of sorts that they can also be directed to. At the moment there seems to only be

      Community about everything vegan

      Although, thinking about it now, we could have a [Vegan Only] tag for posts where the discussion can be debates about veganism for vegans. Not sure if that would ever be respected or if it’s even practical. That way there can be the vegan outreach as well as serious discussions on veganism.

      • Audacity9961@feddit.chEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        I don’t think banning carnists is the solution.

        I do think that rules similar to /r/vegan would help a lot.

        I think another forum would be better for arguments against veganism, otherwise this forum will just get swamped with upvoted carnist answers to vegan or vegan-curious questions, or upvoted arguments against veganism. We will also routinely see the same fallacies over and over again.

        Look at the recent discussion around the post of keto.

      • Pablo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        I’d appreciate that. To make it more clear I’d call it [Vegans only], but I love the idea that the OP can decide it upfront.

          • Pablo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Thanks for the explanation and that’s exactly how I feel about it! I didn’t know I could convert a comment into a separate post, that’s a cool feature! I’m at work so sorry if I GOT it wrong lol

            • Eevoltic@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
              2·
              1 year ago

              I didn’t know I could convert a comment into a separate post, that’s a cool feature!

              Sorry, I meant manually doing that by asking people to make separate posts or by making one yourself. We can’t move comments (I think), but that’d be an interesting feature if we could. I do see that it could be used for abuse if mods could move anything anywhere.

              You didn’t get anything wrong btw, I just explained what I meant poorly :)

    • Chev@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      1 year ago

      With compasion. Nobody loves getting attacked or made feel stupid.

      • DroneRights [it/its]English
        34·
        1 year ago

        Nobody likes getting eaten or enslaved either, but carnists only seem to care about kindness and empathy when it suits them. Because they’re assholes.

  • gredo@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    71·
    1 year ago

    Hello everyone,

    I am sorry I don’t really have time to be on Lemmy right now, and even less so, moderating this community.

    I see two options:

    • I kill this community and all of you switch to one of the other vegan communities
    • Some of you take over this community

    If you want to become a moderator on this community, please PM me. Between the moderators we will then choose a new owner.

    If less than two people answer this call by end of Sunday, I will delete this community.

    Sorry about that, but I think this the best for Lemmy and the vegan community.

    Edit: We now have one moderator from Australia and me from central Europe. Would be nice to have someone from the Americas to have a nice time zone distribution.

  • Doublepluskirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
    51·
    1 year ago

    How about consolidating some of the vegan communities? You concentrate the user base (which hopefully means more consistent content and less repetition) and get more mods in one place. I know other communities have done this successfully, but it’s dependent on mods agreeing, so maybe not that easy.

    • Eevoltic@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      62·
      1 year ago

      I’m not sure if that’s gonna be able to happen here. The only other good vegan community I’ve found was on hexbear, and I don’t think many people can even see it. I’ll start looking around though, see if there are any other vegan communities that may be able to do something like this. Although, I’d hate to see it ending up super centralised just because we need mods.