You know, I will say, one of the only “[obviously evil bad guy] was right” for a popular media I’ve never actually seen is “Ozai was right”. Its weird because you’d think fash would be kind of into him. But he’s not the most charismatic villain and has minimal screen time so maybe thats why. Also maybe it exists and I just haven’t seen it.
If there’s one thing that confuses me, is that CHUDs haven’t identified with Ozai, Frieza, or Palpatine IIRC. They would probably be more interested in identifying with Azula, but she’s a woman so can’t identify with that. Kylo Ren I noticed they identified with a little bit, but not enough to catch on.
But if there’s one character I am surprised CHUDs haven’t claimed as /theirguy/ yet, is James Bond. He’s part of the British CIA with a license to kill and he’s a chaotic neutral defender of the west that fucks like a rabbit. He’s identical to how CHUDs see themselves.
The only fictional character I see chuds claim is like an amalgam of Ryan Gosling’s characters from Drive and Blade Runner. Which really makes no sense, because one of those is a criminal getaway driver who ends up helping a Latino gangster’s wife and kid. And the other is a bounty hunting android who, through various circumstances, betrays his corporation and police force because he begins to identify with the very underclass of androids he previously hunted down. Chuds are pure aesthetics. They just want to be some hot lonely guy with a cool jacket.
Ozai and Freiza yeah, though Freiza might be a bit too queer-coded for them? But for Palps they do identify with the Empire in a general sense so thats a thing. Azula yeah I think its because she’s a girl, and also like, I dont know a single queer leftist ATLA fan who doesn’t kind of love Azula. Kylo is funny because he’s meant to be a bit of a parody of CHUD manchildren, so them owning that is funny. And as for Bond, I mean, they are mad at he mere possibility of Daniel Craig being replaced by a black guy or a woman so they do have some attachment to him.
It’s because a lot of “Villain was right” candidates either
Are a villain protagonist like Kratos, Rick Sanchez, or Bojack Horsemann
Characters who are shown to be “cool”, especially if they have a lot of “Do not do this cool thing!” Energy behind their writing
Rorshach - he is his own category because in Watchmen no one else is proactive in doing… anything… and everyone else is shown to be either worse than him or ineffective… so it’s Alan Moore’s own writing fail that made people like him
Ozai doesn’t really apply anywhere here.
Btw, a lot of later MCU villains are unironically “The villain was right!” Characters… mostly because Hollywood demands heroes only represent the Status Quo, and villains only represent change.
But when the modern status quo is this fucked, it keeps running into “The villain is completely right for 99% of the movie… until near the end when he eats a puppy to prove he was bad all along”
Kilmonger from Black Panther is one of the more blatant “Did nothing wrong, but Hollywood loves status quo” non-villains
You know, I will say, one of the only “[obviously evil bad guy] was right” for a popular media I’ve never actually seen is “Ozai was right”. Its weird because you’d think fash would be kind of into him. But he’s not the most charismatic villain and has minimal screen time so maybe thats why. Also maybe it exists and I just haven’t seen it.
If there’s one thing that confuses me, is that CHUDs haven’t identified with Ozai, Frieza, or Palpatine IIRC. They would probably be more interested in identifying with Azula, but she’s a woman so can’t identify with that. Kylo Ren I noticed they identified with a little bit, but not enough to catch on.
But if there’s one character I am surprised CHUDs haven’t claimed as /theirguy/ yet, is James Bond. He’s part of the British CIA with a license to kill and he’s a chaotic neutral defender of the west that fucks like a rabbit. He’s identical to how CHUDs see themselves.
The only fictional character I see chuds claim is like an amalgam of Ryan Gosling’s characters from Drive and Blade Runner. Which really makes no sense, because one of those is a criminal getaway driver who ends up helping a Latino gangster’s wife and kid. And the other is a bounty hunting android who, through various circumstances, betrays his corporation and police force because he begins to identify with the very underclass of androids he previously hunted down. Chuds are pure aesthetics. They just want to be some hot lonely guy with a cool jacket.
Ozai and Freiza yeah, though Freiza might be a bit too queer-coded for them? But for Palps they do identify with the Empire in a general sense so thats a thing. Azula yeah I think its because she’s a girl, and also like, I dont know a single queer leftist ATLA fan who doesn’t kind of love Azula. Kylo is funny because he’s meant to be a bit of a parody of CHUD manchildren, so them owning that is funny. And as for Bond, I mean, they are mad at he mere possibility of Daniel Craig being replaced by a black guy or a woman so they do have some attachment to him.
It’s because a lot of “Villain was right” candidates either
Are a villain protagonist like Kratos, Rick Sanchez, or Bojack Horsemann
Characters who are shown to be “cool”, especially if they have a lot of “Do not do this cool thing!” Energy behind their writing
Rorshach - he is his own category because in Watchmen no one else is proactive in doing… anything… and everyone else is shown to be either worse than him or ineffective… so it’s Alan Moore’s own writing fail that made people like him
Ozai doesn’t really apply anywhere here.
Btw, a lot of later MCU villains are unironically “The villain was right!” Characters… mostly because Hollywood demands heroes only represent the Status Quo, and villains only represent change.
But when the modern status quo is this fucked, it keeps running into “The villain is completely right for 99% of the movie… until near the end when he eats a puppy to prove he was bad all along”
Kilmonger from Black Panther is one of the more blatant “Did nothing wrong, but Hollywood loves status quo” non-villains