left wingers are any better? I got one for you, the state is neither, it has both parties in it and only two parties. it is corrupt, rub two brain cells to together to arrive at a conclusion outside of the left/right framework. I know it is hard but work on it.
like why are you even make this left right when most of us are the bottom?
Just look at the amount of people living in poverty in the 40’s and early 50’s, then the democrats started the “war on poverty” and started these programs and 70 years later, the number of people living in poverty has continued to rise
Just look at the number of people living in poverty those stats aren’t hard to find.
More people are living in poverty in the US today than they were 70 years ago
You’d think after 20+ trillion dollars spent, the record on poverty would be much much better
You are just wrong. Absolute numbers are not relevant when discussing trends because, guess what, the population of the whole world has increased in the last 70 years. Shocking news!
Povery rates are approximately half of what it was in 1958, when the Census bureau began tracking data. The rate bottomed out in 2019 but then went back up in 2020 (bet you can guess why), and is now trending down again.
You’ve never heard of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, housing opportunities, mental health services, food banks, soup kitchens, etc etc etc
Like Jesus Christ with that comment. How fucking stupid are conservatives? Go hit your head with a hammer and see if it helps. Seemingly it couldn’t hurt.
so practically speaking not much of safety net unless you are old, or single poor mother, which i support no doubt but that is [not] a safety net a vast majority of the population.
also, note mental health services, food banks, soup kitchens >>> federal government and states hardly provide these, they are provided by private sector…
even those have been steadily eroded under successive administration since 1980s, which share of taxes paid by working people have been increasing. so working person pays more taxes and gets no safety net for the most part.
You need to get educated instead of vomiting generic talking points, it would help this country if everyone did the same.
You know one of the parties keeps voting to take away the safety nets/keep us from getting them right? I’m all up for getting a third forth and even fifth party but its just not going to happen unless we can fix the current system and the gop is never going to let that happen.
Voting for either party is providing legitimacy to the regime. you are better off voting with your feet and money since that’s the last place you still have some agency. political process is captured, voting third party is the only logical decision but none of them are really inspiring any confidence since they shill degeneracy.
Remember when Al Franken resigned because someone said they were bother by his actions decades ago? Remember how there were bipartisan investigations into Benghazi and Hillary emails? Or when Bill Clinton let an independent special prosecutor attempt to find evidence of corruption?
How about how Lindsey Graham said that he would never support confirming a supreme court justice before a presidential election and then did that? Or how many of Trump’s administration have went to jail?
This “both sides are just as bad” number doesn’t work when one side is activity lieing, curtailing freedoms and attempting literal coups, while the other side has obeyed due process and law the overwhelming majority of the time.
it is corrupt, rub two brain cells to together to arrive at a conclusion outside of the left/right framework.
Weird that 1/2 of this framework, the D group, always votes against gigantic tax cuts for the rich, and the R group always votes for the exact opposite. Both sides are the same opposite of each other.
like why are you even make this left right when most of us are the bottom?
Because if you are at the bottom, you would be an extreme fool to vote for the party that consistently gives gigantic tax cuts to billionaires.
Exactly! That alone is why it’s very important to vote against the GOP and their gigantic tax cuts for billionaire elites.
What did you get from Democrats having both house and presidency,
Increased minimum corporate tax rate from 0% to 20%.
Increased subsidies for ACA
Tax Cuts for middle class. $2000 per person. Plus $200 per dependent per month.
Reduction in medicare drug costs
Reduction in student loans. Sabotaged by GOP Supreme Court.
Action on climate change.
…And Biden got all that stuff done with just one vote Dem majority in the senate, which included Manshin and Arizona lady who isn’t even Dem anymore. If Dems had huge majorities, they could enable a flood of progress just like they did in the 1930’s and 1960’s.
The cope here is too strong today lol
The “both sides” nonsense is strong today lol. But still easily refuted by reality.
2020: Elected President, defeating Donald Trump in the Electoral College 306 to 232, with a popular vote margin of more than 7 million votes.
2021: Directed USA to rejoin Paris Climate Agreement.
2021: Halted the Keystone XL pipeline.
2021: Repealed Trump’s travel bans.
2021: Repealed Trump’s transgender military ban.
2021: Ordered an additional 200 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine.
2021: Pledged $4 billion to COVAX global vaccine alliance.
2021: Signed $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan into law. It includes:
Small business support.
$1,400 per person checks.
Increases to the Child Tax Credit, Earned-Income Tax Credit, and Child and Dependent Care Tax Credits.
$300 extended unemployment insurance.
Lower health insurance premiums for lower- and middle-income families enrolled in health insurance marketplaces.
2021: Canceled $1.5 billion in student debt for victims of for-profit school fraud.
2021: Ended the War in Afghanistan after 20 years.
2021: Negotiated and signed the bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act into law. It includes:
$110 billion for roads, bridges, and major projects
$73 billion for power infrastructure
$66 billion for passenger and freight rail
$65 billion for broadband
$55 billion for clean drinking water
$50 billion for water resilience and Western water storage
$39 billion for public transit
$25 billion for airports
$21 billion for removal of pollution from water and soil
$17 billion for port infrastructure
$7.5 billion for electric vehicles
$7.5 billion for zero/low emission busses and ferries
$1 billion for the revitalization of communities
2021: U.S. gross domestic product grew at 5.7 percent for the year, the strongest economic growth in 37 years.
2021: Favorability of the United States improved sharply around the world.
2022: Approved a U.S. special forces mission that killed ISIS leader Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi.
2022: Nominated Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson to become the first Black woman in history to sit on the Supreme Court of the United States.
2022: Signed the Reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA).
2022: Led a massive international response to Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
2022: Signed the first major gun safety legislation passed by Congress in nearly 30 years.
2022: Ordered the drone strike that killed Ayman al-Zawahiri, mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States and the world’s most wanted terrorist.
2022: Unemployment falls to 3.5 percent, matching the lowest rate in 50 years.
2022: Signed the CHIPS and Science Act into law, providing $52.7 billion for chip manufacturing and research and $170 billion for scientific research, innovation, and space exploration.
2022: Signed ratification documents approving NATO membership for Finland and Sweden, strengthening the NATO alliance and reinforcing democracy in the face of Russian brutality against Ukraine.
2022: Signed PACT Act strengthening health care and benefits for America’s veterans and their survivors.
2022: Signed the Inflation Reduction Act into law. It includes $369 billion to provide energy security, fight climate change, and create clean domestic manufacturing jobs. It also lowers healthcare costs by extending Affordable Care Act subsidies for 3 years, expanding vaccine coverage, and reforming prescription drug pricing. The act also raises revenue by establishing a 15% corporate minimum tax on companies with at least $1 billion in profits. Through revenue and savings, the Inflation Reduction Act reduces the deficit by a net $305 billion dollars.
2022: Less than 2 years into his presidency, Biden is already one of the most legislatively successful presidents of the modern era.
2022: Thanks to a Biden executive order, hearing aids become available over the counter without a prescription, lowering costs by up to $3,000 per pair for 30 million Americans.
2022: Led the Democratic Party to the best midterm election performance of either party since 1934.
2022: Signed legislation to avoid a potentially catastrophic rail strike after brokering a deal approved by 8 of 12 railway unions, raising workers’ wages by 24%, increasing health care benefits, and preserving two-person crews.
2022: Approved a deal to bring WNBA star Brittney Griner home after 10 months of wrongful detention in Russia.
2022: Signed the Respect for Marriage Act into law, ensuring federal recognition of marriage regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin, ten years after publicly declaring his support of same-sex marriage on Meet the Press.
2023: Forced congressional Republicans to swear off Medicare and Social Security cuts on live television while delivering his State of the Union Address.
2023: Took a 10-hour train trip, each way, through war-torn Ukraine to meet President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Kyiv and reconfirm U.S. support for Ukraine’s fight against Russian dictator Vladimir Putin’s criminal aggression.
2023: Signed an executive order greatly expanding access to long-term care and child care.
2023: Mounted a major diplomatic effort that got Turkey to agree to admit Sweden into NATO, making that alliance stronger than it has ever been.
2023: Announced $39 billion in student debt relief for 804,000 borrowers.
Fascist gonna fascism. In the face of a right wing court overturning people’s human rights. Talking about a culture war while the world burns due to something they refuse to even believe, and suddenly best of friends with Putin, while trump talks about getting a dictatorship in place, while CPAC runs a statement “we are all domestic terrorists”.
You guys have to be the most ignorant, and least empathetic humans ever born.
Centrist Democratic Politician: we want to exploit labor and centralize weath and power, but we want people to like us so we’ll do some incrementally good things things to keep folks satisfied
Centrist Republican Politician: we want to exploit labor and centralize weath and power, and fuck you. If you don’t support us rapist minorities are going to rape you to death, or you might have to see people who aren’t like you in public.
Centrist Democratic Politician: we want to exploit labor and centralize weath and power,
Then how come 100% of them voted against Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump and the GOP’s gigantic tax cuts for billionaires in 2017? Vague claims mean nothing. Only real things matter.
So first let’s be clear. I’m not "both sides"ing. My point is clearly that the overton window for centrists is so far right, that the parties would essentially meet in the center if the republican party hadn’t fully embraced the culture war insanity.
Voting against Trump (a member of the opposing party) is like, the least they could do. They should hardly get back pats for that.
You don’t at all question how unlikely it is that a community named ‘politics’ can have such a homogenous point of view as this one without some kind of bullshit being involved?
Every post is from a liberal-positive perspective, every comment even slightly right is downvoted to oblivion and shouted down immediately. This isn’t natural.
By the amount of downvotes my posts here receive, it would basically need to be that every single person online decided to downvote my comment.
You think that’s just natural? You think it’s because you’re sooooooooo right and I’m sooooooo wrong?
You think it’s odd that the overwhelming majority of folks support things that help others? Doesn’t say much about the community but definitely says a lot about you.
A little presumptive there, when you realize that everyone pretty much wants to helps others and the disagreements come in about what the right way to do that is.
Do you think conservatives are hatful little Devil’s just trying to hurt people? That’s what too much Twitter will do to you
the disagreements come in about what the right way to do that is.
I mean, when one side says “these things that help people are failures because they don’t help enough people” and the other side says “but they’re helping people”, that’s not about the right way.
At no point have you offered an alternative, you’re simply saying “the other side is wrong” while using specious arguments to back it up.
Do you think conservatives are hatful little Devil’s just trying to hurt people?
Calling objectively successful policies failures is either extremely ignorant or actively trying to hurt people.
I think you’re projecting a bit here, I don’t use Twitter. I live in a place where republicans are actively stripping social safety nets and rights. I get to see it first hand while reading comments about how it’s not happening and that it’s just Twitter drama 🤔
left wingers are any better? I got one for you, the state is neither, it has both parties in it and only two parties. it is corrupt, rub two brain cells to together to arrive at a conclusion outside of the left/right framework. I know it is hard but work on it.
like why are you even make this left right when most of us are the bottom?
Because one of the parties is better for lifting people up. Like, immeasurably better.
I won’t even say which one I think it is. You can decide for yourself.
show me these people who have been lifted up?
statistics point towards largely more poor people, worse health, more debt, less home ownership. who was lifted up and when?
What statistics show that social safety nets lead to those things?
I’ll save you time: they don’t exist
Just look at the amount of people living in poverty in the 40’s and early 50’s, then the democrats started the “war on poverty” and started these programs and 70 years later, the number of people living in poverty has continued to rise
Just look at the number of people living in poverty those stats aren’t hard to find.
More people are living in poverty in the US today than they were 70 years ago
You’d think after 20+ trillion dollars spent, the record on poverty would be much much better
And yet the percentage of the population that lives in poverty has dropped by more than half.
Funny how that works.
Somehow you’re arguing that more people starving is …. Better?
No, I’m pointing out that your argument is specious at best.
How is it specious? Do you know what the word even means?
Fact: there are more people living in poverty after the war on poverty was started than there were before those policies were put in place.
There’s nothing specious about that
We just need to tip more…
You are just wrong. Absolute numbers are not relevant when discussing trends because, guess what, the population of the whole world has increased in the last 70 years. Shocking news!
Povery rates are approximately half of what it was in 1958, when the Census bureau began tracking data. The rate bottomed out in 2019 but then went back up in 2020 (bet you can guess why), and is now trending down again.
https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/poverty-united-states/
which safety nets? are they in the room here with us right now?
You’ve never heard of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, housing opportunities, mental health services, food banks, soup kitchens, etc etc etc
Like Jesus Christ with that comment. How fucking stupid are conservatives? Go hit your head with a hammer and see if it helps. Seemingly it couldn’t hurt.
so practically speaking not much of safety net unless you are old, or single poor mother, which i support no doubt but that is [not] a safety net a vast majority of the population.
also, note mental health services, food banks, soup kitchens >>> federal government and states hardly provide these, they are provided by private sector…
even those have been steadily eroded under successive administration since 1980s, which share of taxes paid by working people have been increasing. so working person pays more taxes and gets no safety net for the most part.
You need to get educated instead of vomiting generic talking points, it would help this country if everyone did the same.
You know one of the parties keeps voting to take away the safety nets/keep us from getting them right? I’m all up for getting a third forth and even fifth party but its just not going to happen unless we can fix the current system and the gop is never going to let that happen.
so what is your solution, vote for the GOP and pray they will suddenly decide NOT to gut every social program they can find?
Voting for either party is providing legitimacy to the regime. you are better off voting with your feet and money since that’s the last place you still have some agency. political process is captured, voting third party is the only logical decision but none of them are really inspiring any confidence since they shill degeneracy.
Yeah.
Remember when Al Franken resigned because someone said they were bother by his actions decades ago? Remember how there were bipartisan investigations into Benghazi and Hillary emails? Or when Bill Clinton let an independent special prosecutor attempt to find evidence of corruption?
How about how Lindsey Graham said that he would never support confirming a supreme court justice before a presidential election and then did that? Or how many of Trump’s administration have went to jail?
This “both sides are just as bad” number doesn’t work when one side is activity lieing, curtailing freedoms and attempting literal coups, while the other side has obeyed due process and law the overwhelming majority of the time.
Weird that 1/2 of this framework, the D group, always votes against gigantic tax cuts for the rich, and the R group always votes for the exact opposite. Both sides are the
sameopposite of each other.Because if you are at the bottom, you would be an extreme fool to vote for the party that consistently gives gigantic tax cuts to billionaires.
reality check… Trump’s tax cuts passed.
Biden could not get student loans done… Obama could not get health done properly…
Trump spend trillions on covid “bail outs” Biden came in did and the same…
What did you get from Democrats having both house and presidency, limp dick student loan reform that added USD 1T to on the genY and GenZ?
The cope here is too strong today lol
Exactly! That alone is why it’s very important to vote against the GOP and their gigantic tax cuts for billionaire elites.
Increased minimum corporate tax rate from 0% to 20%.
Increased subsidies for ACA
Tax Cuts for middle class. $2000 per person. Plus $200 per dependent per month.
Reduction in medicare drug costs
Reduction in student loans. Sabotaged by GOP Supreme Court.
Action on climate change.
…And Biden got all that stuff done with just one vote Dem majority in the senate, which included Manshin and Arizona lady who isn’t even Dem anymore. If Dems had huge majorities, they could enable a flood of progress just like they did in the 1930’s and 1960’s.
The “both sides” nonsense is strong today lol. But still easily refuted by reality.
Why do you add spaces after ellipses?
Low education take.
Joe Biden accomplishments as President:
2020: Elected President, defeating Donald Trump in the Electoral College 306 to 232, with a popular vote margin of more than 7 million votes.
2021: Directed USA to rejoin Paris Climate Agreement.
2021: Halted the Keystone XL pipeline.
2021: Repealed Trump’s travel bans.
2021: Repealed Trump’s transgender military ban.
2021: Ordered an additional 200 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine.
2021: Pledged $4 billion to COVAX global vaccine alliance.
2021: Signed $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan into law. It includes:
Small business support. $1,400 per person checks. Increases to the Child Tax Credit, Earned-Income Tax Credit, and Child and Dependent Care Tax Credits. $300 extended unemployment insurance. Lower health insurance premiums for lower- and middle-income families enrolled in health insurance marketplaces.
2021: Canceled $1.5 billion in student debt for victims of for-profit school fraud.
2021: Ended the War in Afghanistan after 20 years.
2021: Negotiated and signed the bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act into law. It includes:
$110 billion for roads, bridges, and major projects
$73 billion for power infrastructure
$66 billion for passenger and freight rail
$65 billion for broadband
$55 billion for clean drinking water
$50 billion for water resilience and Western water storage
$39 billion for public transit
$25 billion for airports
$21 billion for removal of pollution from water and soil
$17 billion for port infrastructure
$7.5 billion for electric vehicles
$7.5 billion for zero/low emission busses and ferries
$1 billion for the revitalization of communities
2021: U.S. gross domestic product grew at 5.7 percent for the year, the strongest economic growth in 37 years.
2021: Favorability of the United States improved sharply around the world.
2022: Approved a U.S. special forces mission that killed ISIS leader Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi.
2022: Nominated Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson to become the first Black woman in history to sit on the Supreme Court of the United States.
2022: Signed the Reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA).
2022: Led a massive international response to Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
2022: Signed the first major gun safety legislation passed by Congress in nearly 30 years.
2022: Ordered the drone strike that killed Ayman al-Zawahiri, mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States and the world’s most wanted terrorist.
2022: Unemployment falls to 3.5 percent, matching the lowest rate in 50 years.
2022: Signed the CHIPS and Science Act into law, providing $52.7 billion for chip manufacturing and research and $170 billion for scientific research, innovation, and space exploration.
2022: Signed ratification documents approving NATO membership for Finland and Sweden, strengthening the NATO alliance and reinforcing democracy in the face of Russian brutality against Ukraine.
2022: Signed PACT Act strengthening health care and benefits for America’s veterans and their survivors.
2022: Signed the Inflation Reduction Act into law. It includes $369 billion to provide energy security, fight climate change, and create clean domestic manufacturing jobs. It also lowers healthcare costs by extending Affordable Care Act subsidies for 3 years, expanding vaccine coverage, and reforming prescription drug pricing. The act also raises revenue by establishing a 15% corporate minimum tax on companies with at least $1 billion in profits. Through revenue and savings, the Inflation Reduction Act reduces the deficit by a net $305 billion dollars.
2022: Less than 2 years into his presidency, Biden is already one of the most legislatively successful presidents of the modern era.
2022: Thanks to a Biden executive order, hearing aids become available over the counter without a prescription, lowering costs by up to $3,000 per pair for 30 million Americans.
2022: Led the Democratic Party to the best midterm election performance of either party since 1934.
2022: Signed legislation to avoid a potentially catastrophic rail strike after brokering a deal approved by 8 of 12 railway unions, raising workers’ wages by 24%, increasing health care benefits, and preserving two-person crews.
2022: Approved a deal to bring WNBA star Brittney Griner home after 10 months of wrongful detention in Russia.
2022: Signed the Respect for Marriage Act into law, ensuring federal recognition of marriage regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin, ten years after publicly declaring his support of same-sex marriage on Meet the Press.
2023: Forced congressional Republicans to swear off Medicare and Social Security cuts on live television while delivering his State of the Union Address.
2023: Took a 10-hour train trip, each way, through war-torn Ukraine to meet President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Kyiv and reconfirm U.S. support for Ukraine’s fight against Russian dictator Vladimir Putin’s criminal aggression.
2023: Signed an executive order greatly expanding access to long-term care and child care.
2023: Mounted a major diplomatic effort that got Turkey to agree to admit Sweden into NATO, making that alliance stronger than it has ever been.
2023: Announced $39 billion in student debt relief for 804,000 borrowers.
Dems have their problems but jfc. What planet do you “bOtH sIdEs” truthers live on?
@sadreality
In other words: you don’t know what “left winger” means.
Hint: The U.S. Democratic Party is not left wing.
nice cope lol
Fascist gonna fascism. In the face of a right wing court overturning people’s human rights. Talking about a culture war while the world burns due to something they refuse to even believe, and suddenly best of friends with Putin, while trump talks about getting a dictatorship in place, while CPAC runs a statement “we are all domestic terrorists”.
You guys have to be the most ignorant, and least empathetic humans ever born.
The people in charge are smart. The people listening to the people in charge are embarrassing to call compatriots.
Centrist Democratic Politician: we want to exploit labor and centralize weath and power, but we want people to like us so we’ll do some incrementally good things things to keep folks satisfied
Centrist Republican Politician: we want to exploit labor and centralize weath and power, and fuck you. If you don’t support us rapist minorities are going to rape you to death, or you might have to see people who aren’t like you in public.
Then how come 100% of them voted against Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump and the GOP’s gigantic tax cuts for billionaires in 2017? Vague claims mean nothing. Only real things matter.
So first let’s be clear. I’m not "both sides"ing. My point is clearly that the overton window for centrists is so far right, that the parties would essentially meet in the center if the republican party hadn’t fully embraced the culture war insanity.
Voting against Trump (a member of the opposing party) is like, the least they could do. They should hardly get back pats for that.
How about this for “real things”. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi opposes banning Congress members from owning individual stocks
She later did an about face and said she would bring legislation to do that, and what do you know, two years later and still nothing.
That’s why it is critical for Dems to have a big majority. That is the only thing that will move the overton window significantly to the left.
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True, but this is a leftist community, so they cannot see the forest for the trees
Have you made any points that are actually debatable or are you just shit posting and crying about the community (and reality) leaning left?
We can discuss points if you want, I mean any time I post any in here it’s just downvoted in the hundreds though
So I don’t really think this is the place for any real discussion. Just another echo chamber probably full of bots
“People disagree with me so they obviously must be bots.” 🙄
You don’t at all question how unlikely it is that a community named ‘politics’ can have such a homogenous point of view as this one without some kind of bullshit being involved?
Every post is from a liberal-positive perspective, every comment even slightly right is downvoted to oblivion and shouted down immediately. This isn’t natural.
By the amount of downvotes my posts here receive, it would basically need to be that every single person online decided to downvote my comment.
You think that’s just natural? You think it’s because you’re sooooooooo right and I’m sooooooo wrong?
Gotta think about it a little bit more, I think
You think it’s odd that the overwhelming majority of folks support things that help others? Doesn’t say much about the community but definitely says a lot about you.
A little presumptive there, when you realize that everyone pretty much wants to helps others and the disagreements come in about what the right way to do that is.
Do you think conservatives are hatful little Devil’s just trying to hurt people? That’s what too much Twitter will do to you
I mean, when one side says “these things that help people are failures because they don’t help enough people” and the other side says “but they’re helping people”, that’s not about the right way.
At no point have you offered an alternative, you’re simply saying “the other side is wrong” while using specious arguments to back it up.
Calling objectively successful policies failures is either extremely ignorant or actively trying to hurt people.
I think you’re projecting a bit here, I don’t use Twitter. I live in a place where republicans are actively stripping social safety nets and rights. I get to see it first hand while reading comments about how it’s not happening and that it’s just Twitter drama 🤔
I think some conservatives are exactly that, yes. They advertise and brag about it constantly.
Occam’s razor. Is it a grand conspiracy or does lemmy lean left?
I think lemmy (like reddit, and Twitter until more recently) have been curated left. There’s a difference
By whom? What is the mechanism of this curation?