I wouldn’t be that black and white. There are many people where I work that are using ChatGPT and Copilot and seem to consider it a productivity boost.

Granted, I’m at an enterprise corp, and it’s probably not an example of top development talent, but the people using it are senior devs with a fair amount of prior experience, not just juniors.

Also FWIW I find ChatGPT excellent for answering some higher level questions I have as a junior developer. I’ve gotten good answers that have put me on the right track to solving problems.