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    1 year ago

    You don’t think Hamas has used human shields?

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      Again… if that is what Hamas has (supposedly) done, then there is no reason not to designate every civilian in Israel, the US or any NATO member state as “human shields” as well.

      Pick your propaganda and stop being a hypocrite about it.

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        I find it interesting that you can’t give a straight answer to whether you believe they’ve used human shields or not. I think it’s undeniable they’ve done that.

        then there is no reason not to designate every civilian in Israel, the US or any NATO member state as “human shields” as well

        I’m sorry but that doesn’t make sense. A human shield has an actual meaning, it’s not just all civilians in general.

        Pick your propaganda and stop being a hypocrite about it.

        Indeed. I’m pretty straightforward in that I condemn the use of human shields, full stop.

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          I find it interesting that you can’t give a straight answer

          This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

          A human shield has an actual meaning

          The only “meaning” it has is the one assigned to it by white supremacist propaganda and the white supremacists swallowing this propaganda.

          I think it’s undeniable they’ve done that.

          So you admit that 9/11 was an entirely justified attack? You know… as the US was (and still must be) using every civilian in the US as “human shields”?

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            This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

            So you don’t think they’ve used human shields?

            The only “meaning” it has is the one assigned to it by white supremacist propaganda and the white supremacists swallowing this propaganda.

            Idk, seems a bit strange to count all the people on this article as white supremacists. Especially since “The concept of human shields as a resistance measure was created by Mahatma Gandhi as a weapon of resistance.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield

            So you admit that 9/11 was an entirely justified attack? You know… as the US was (and still must be) using every civilian in the US as “human shields”?

            I didn’t even agree with your strange definition of human shield, how in the hell did you think I’d agree with this bizarre non sequitor is beyond me

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              Tell you what… I’ll just keep repeating it until it penetrates through all the right-wing brain-rot that has taken up residence in your head, okay? So here…

              This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

              white supremacists.

              Only white supremacists swallow white supremacist propaganda. It’s as simple as that.

              I didn’t even agree

              In other words… you admit the 9/11 attack was entirely justified as it claimed only “human shields.”

              See how easy it is to not be a hippocrate?

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                I’m not sure what you find to “right-wing white supremacist” about the overall concept. Could you explain? Here’s the quick and dirty definition from Wikipedia:

                “A human shield is a non-combatant (or a group of non-combatants) who either volunteers or is forced to shield a legitimate military target in order to deter the enemy from attacking it.”

                Tell you what… I’ll just keep repeating

                I did notice you don’t really try to argue for your position, rather just repeating the same thing again and again. Not answering straight questions or bothering to engage with the actual arguments from the other side.

                It’s very internet, so to say.

                In other words… you admit the 9/11 attack was entirely justified as it claimed only “human shields.”

                No on both of those. How you define human shields is beyond me. Could you define it for me, so I know where our understanding of the concept differs?

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                  I’m not sure what you find to “right-wing white supremacist” about the overall concept.

                  Considering that your only understanding of white supremacist propaganda comes from a wikipedia page, I’d say that’s not surprising.

                  Do tell, apologist… do you think it’s merely a coincidence that all of Israel’s traditional supporters are all countries with deep histories of white supremacism, antisemitism and colonialism?

                  I did notice you don’t really try to argue for your position

                  That’s because I don’t have to. You are the one with nothing but propaganda slogans to back up your position - not me.

                  so I know where our understanding of the concept differs?

                  Aaaaand …

                  This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

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                    I’m not sure if you’re genuinely a bit slow but “human shield” is not just a concept from Wikipedia or the only place one might learn about it, but it’s just an easily approachable resource. Human shield is defined similarly by other orgs too like United Nations, International Criminal Court etc. You can search the term online have all kinds of people using the term

                    Here’s one from Nigeria https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/03/africa/nigerian-president-kidnapped-victims-intl/index.html

                    Surely Muhammadu Buhari is not a white supremacist?

                    There’s a gazillion similar articles. I can link to them if you wish.

                    Do tell, apologist… do you think it’s merely a coincidence that all of Israel’s traditional supporters are all countries with deep histories of white supremacism, antisemitism and colonialism?

                    What does this have to do with the concept of human shields…? I feel like you’re again avoiding the questions and the actual topic.

                    That’s because I don’t have to.

                    I guess that’s true but it does give off a bit of an either uninformed or cowardly (sorry) feeling. You don’t have to argue, but it would definitely help and make the conversation better.

                    Aaaaand …

                    This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

                    So for you the concept of human shield is just white supremacist propaganda?

                    It’s a bizarre take to me. I’m not sure if you genuinely believe that. Someone holding a person at gun point to prevent someone on firing them, I don’t believe you think that has anything to do with white supremacy, but you don’t believe in calling that a human shield?