This article is from November 17th, so a couple days old, but I found it worthwhile.

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    10 months ago

    To be criminally charged for this is absolutely insane. The fact everyone knows he’s a lowlife and his name is out there is enough.

    • Budfox_92@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Yeah for me the world has gone too soft. I don’t see a crime to be honest there worth going to court for. It was utterly stupid and disgusting what he did but I feel like going to court was too far for it.

      Let the club ban him and the media report on it but it feels excessive as he’s already lost his job and any future employer will see what he’s done with any background check.

      People should be allowed to make mistakes and learn from them, I’m sure he’s not a bad person at all just did a stupid thing and now will pay for the rest of his life.

      • 726wox@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        He got a suspended sentence basically just saying don’t do it again

        • Budfox_92@alien.topB
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          10 months ago

          Anyone can make a mistake in the heat of the moment with alcohol involved. Imagine one mistake defining you for the rest of your life. If he’s acknowledged the mistake learned from it and makes him a better person then that’s much more important than villifying him and going to court over such a thing.

          I don’t agree with a criminal offence and going to court over the matter.

        • tedmaul23@alien.topB
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          10 months ago

          Look at the thread about Grealish yesterday, people saying he’s such a lovable guy yet he drove and wrote his car off while absolutely steaming.

    • Savant_7@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      It’s a public order offence though? And his sentence was suspended. I don’t get the issue.

  • RafaSquared@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Having shit craic shouldn’t result in being charged as a criminal. It’s a slippery slope, and shows you can be arrested and charged for pretty much anything.

  • Embarrassed_Curve769@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    The only difference between the UK and China is the degree of surveillance and control, although with the ULEZ cameras and people getting arrested for standing on streets thinking wrong thoughts the UK is fighting valiantly to close the distance.

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    10 months ago

    Am I gonna cry for this moron? Not one tear.

    Is this punishment reasonable? Fuck, I just don’t know man…

    • Cubes11@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Is the punishment unreasonable? Probably.

      Do I care about someone who thought it would be funny to make fun of a child who dies of cancer? Absolutely not, they can throw the book at him for all I care

    • 726wox@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      100% suspended sentence is correct. What he did is bad but he shouldn’t be taking up a cell in overflowing prisons.

      Suspended essentially means no more public order offences so hopefully behaves

        • RNLImThalassophobic@alien.topB
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          10 months ago

          Absolutely, yes.

          He got a 3-month custodial sentence. Convictions resulting in custodial sentences shorter than 12 months become ‘spent’ 12 months after the sentence ends. So, his conviction will be ‘unspent’ for the next 15 months.

          While his conviction is ‘unspent’ he still only needs to tell an organisation about it (e.g. for a job application) if they ask him, but it will show up on any DBS - basic, standard or enhanced.

          After it becomes ‘spent’ it will only show up on a standard or enhanced DBS check. He only needs to tell a potential employer, university or college about it if they ask him to and they tell him the role needs a standard or enhanced DBS check and it has not been removed (‘filtered’) from DBS certificates (as it resulted in a custodial sentence, it can’t ever be filtered).

          It’s against the law for an employer, university or college to refuse someone a role because they’ve got a spent conviction or caution, unless it makes them unsuitable for the role (i.e. a driving conviction might make them unsuitable for a job as a driving instructor).

    • LudereHumanum@alien.topOPB
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      10 months ago

      I’m with you tbh. For context: Here in Germany this is the reason that offenders have a right to privacy, so their faces and their full names aren’t allowed to be shown / named (in german media).

      This regulation has its own issues imo, but makes sense in this case: The offender gets punished, but they don’t have to suffer their whole life for it.

  • Razzle_Dazzle08@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    It seems every week I see the UK criminally charging people for disgusting and offensive chants, gestures etc.

    They are disgusting acts but to criminally charge for this is insanity and a slippery slope to the Government deciding what you can and can’t say.

    • TheGoldenPineapples@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Why though?

      The law isn’t new, we’ve had lots of iterations of it over the centuries.

      Also, freedom of speech isn’t freedom of consequences for saying it or doing it.

    • Ezekiiel@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Slippery slope? These laws have existed for longer than both of us have been alive.

      • Outrageous_Pension90@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        And there’s probably a reason a colony of yours was so focused on being able to speak their mind without punishment don’t you think?

    • maxthelabradore@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      People have got in trouble for “offensive” reddit posts before

      https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/watch-moment-web-troll-who-11918656

      I had a really bad experience recently with drugs and started yelling extremely offensive things to police when they came to help me. I wasn’t charged with any of that - I did make a very bad false claim that’s specifically being investigated, but it’s nothing to do with how offensive it was. One of the things I thought they would do me for is writing a note on my computer for them to find (it involved ra*e). They just asked where that stuff came from and I openly told them I wanted to say the most vile things imaginable but they treated me well and listened.

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      10 months ago

      Why is insanity when it’s a breach of the Public Order Act 1986? This is nothing new. I’m not sure I understand how anyone is complaining.

    • train4karenina@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      The government represents the people. We’ve had this laws for over a hundred years.

      We aren’t America, we don’t view free speech in the same way.

  • tightenstwo@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    tbh I forgot that mascots in soccer are the little kids that walk out with the players, I thought some guy was making fun of a grown man in a glorified furry suit

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    10 months ago

    Imagine being a 32 year old man and doing that. I know being a dickhead isn’t technically a crime and I don’t think he should necessarily be charged with anything, but I’m kinda happy he’s being shamed like this.

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      10 months ago

      it’s an actual joke what western society has become - not for one second are his actions fine, they’re disgusting and vile.

      but where do u draw the line between that and making a 9/11 meme on the internet?

      • Dazzling-Lab2788@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        So let’s say you went to the NY Fire Department, showed them pictures of their dead colleagues while having a right good laugh. Everything fine here?

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    10 months ago

    While I don’t feel like he should have been criminally charged, I don’t feel bad for him it’s a dickhead thing to do and I don’t even know how you could make a funny joke from that

    • MissingLink101@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      The idea of him potentially doing jail time for this is a bit silly but I’m definitely not opposed to the unpaid work/community service part of the punishment.

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      10 months ago

      It wasn’t even a joke, it was just “one of your fans, a kid, died, here’s his photo” like what the fuck.

    • Kaiisim@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      I’ve never understood this. Why should harm be ignored in law? Would you really feel free in a country where you just had to allow someone to say what they wanted whenever they wanted?

      • flex_tape_salesman@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        I think serious threats towards people is the only form of speech that deserves investigation from the police. He was a cunt for doing that but it can be a slippery slope imprisoning someone on the basis of them being a cunt lol

  • brabs2@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Should have given the cunt a swift kick to the face and made sure his community service is spent on children’s cancer wards. The cunt.

  • migrate_to_voat@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    It’s disgraceful that he’s been rewarded with a stadium ban. Surely being forced to watch Wednesday every week would be a severe deterrent.

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    10 months ago

    It’s disgusting that this is deemed a criminal offence. He’s a moron, but what he did shouldn’t have been against the law.