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vegan options? like produce, grains, and legumes? are you in a food desert yourself?
the “vegan options” you’re referring to are at the supermarket, and they are the cheapest items in there.
I have plenty of friends who are vegans. I also have a few who tried it and failed because it’s not a switch you just turn off.
Giving the advice “just go vegan” is bad advice and counterproductive. There should be research into what it means and how to eat healthy vegan meals. You don’t just turn off the meat, which is what a lot of people assume they should do.
As a matter of fact I’d give the advice “go vegetarian, keep the milk eggs and fish, and if you like it and want to go further look into replacing those with some good vegan options.” It should be a process. Unless you start buying Soylent (the product not the movie), but that’s disgusting.
Consuming meat doesn’t automatically make you have a balanced and nutrituous diet. If you cared about that, you should inform yourself even if your not vegan.
Also “go vegetarian, keep the […] fish”, lmao.
I went vegan on a random Thursday a few years ago after learning about the ethical reality here, that harming animals for pleasure or convenience is unjustified.
It didn’t happen all in one day (the learning that is), but I didn’t do any meal planning. Didn’t even order vegan food before I decided to go vegan. Next time I went to the store I only bought vegan things. Since then anytime I have the ability to buy vegan goods, I do (which has been 100% of the time because I live in the west in the 21st century).
If you’re homeless in the middle of Palestine being bombed relentlessly by a genocidal state, yeah I’m not going to complain about you eating eggs that were given to you from a homeless shelter. If you’re rich enough to drive to the store and buy groceries yourself in the U.S or Europe, you have no excuse.
cost, convenience, and culture are the three reasons im not actively vegan. i drink soylent and huel. i do (a lot of ) my own baking. i have lots of vegan friends.
but nothing quite hits the convenience/cost equilibrium like 2/$1 gas station hot dogs. 500 hot calories available 24 hours a day literally on my way anywhere to do anything.
and i’m a community organizer. part of that is meeting people where they are. if i refuse to eat what they’re eating, it sets me apart. so i can’t very well turn down culturally relevant foods like burgers or hotdogs or whatever is at the picnic.
these aren’t excuses. they’re reasons. to overcome them, you’ve got to beat gas station hotdogs on cost and convenience, and convince my region to go vegan. i’m not spending my time on that.
I understand the reasons why people aren’t vegan. I also understand the reason why slaughterhouse workers have far higher rates of violence (domestic and non-domestic). I understand why people do terrible things, people aren’t born evil. Even Nazis weren’t born with some disposition to be evil. It’s not like literally millions of Germans just had some natural predisposition to be unbelievably evil and that went away once they lost WW2.
These are learned behaviors. I understand the reasons. They’re still not an excuse. You’re failing to do what you need to do, and just because I understand why you’re failing doesn’t mean you’re not failing.
Maybe you don’t care, maybe you like animal abuse, maybe you know you’re doing something wrong and see yourself as a failure. No matter your own views, the mass torture/genocide is still happening, and you’re supporting it. Hopefully one day you grow enough as a person to stop.
your guilt trip isn’t going to work here.
I didn’t think it would work on me either then it did. You have to actually let time pass to see if you grow. Maybe you’ll be a piece of shit your whole life, we’ll see.
more personal attacks.
this is just a personal attack.
This comment is straight up vegan propaganda.
If you want to make arguments, do it. But leave emotion at the curb.
This comment makes me want to eat MORE meat.
I’ve talked to literal fascists on the Internet who said the same thing, that my arguing with them “made them look into it” and they ended up “hating trans/Jews/Muslims more”.
Just because you have an inability to correctly process information doesn’t make it my fault you’re going to continue being a piece of shit.
another comparison between eating meat and Nazis. is this Godwin’s alt account?
eating culturally appropriate food is incomparable to the Nazis and you should be ashamed of the comparison
I love that I offended your delicate aesthetic sensibilities so much that you can’t even fathom what the point was.
I’m only offended by your personal attacks and intellectual dishonesty.
this is a non sequitur
animal agriculture is not torture or genocide
It is torture there’s no argument there. Genocide is always a weird one, people argue that what’s happening to Palestinians isn’t genocide etc.
There are definitions of genocide that it fits, and there are ones that it won’t. If you think systemic mass killing for pleasure doesn’t fall under the definition of genocide, cool. It’s still systemic mass killing for pleasure.
it’s not genocide: we aren’t trying to wipe out cows, we want to keep milking and eating them.
it’s not torture.
it’s not killing for pleasure, it’s killing for food.
Oh no, I’m so sorry for your poor friends. It must have been so hard to not abuse animals. I understand, not abusing animals is hard. When I stopped beating my dog with a rolled up newspaper every day, I was so depressed. I’m sure your friends are going through the exact same thing as me now that they aren’t paying for companies to put animals in cages and kill them.
no one does that.
If you don’t think meat comes from locking animals in cages and killing them, where the fuck do you think meat comes from?
i don’t pay companies to do that. no one does.
Lots of people pay for meat
yea. but the people doing the caging and killing are paid before that meat ever lands in a supermarket or restaurant. and they’re usually paid by the people who own the facility.
Who get their money from the supermarket, who get their money from…?
I love how this is downvotes but is simply the truth. Telling people, “just go vegan” is like telling a depressed person to “just be happy”.
No. You cannot change the entire diet of someone by shaming them.