frakes called berman a fucking coward for not making him do a gay kiss on tv btw
Wasn’t Deep Space Nine supposed to have a bunch of gay dudes, but they had to be scrapped because they needed to pull a discount lesbian episode in order to half ass the gay acceptance moral?
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on conservative star trek fansCHUDs are upset with Jeri Ryan for doing an interracial lesbian kiss scene in Picard. I am upset with Jeri Ryan for indirectly launching Barack Obama into the national spotlight. We are not the same.
Then again, I guess she also indirectly saved us from the inevitable Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton combo.
I am upset with Jeri Ryan for indirectly launching Barack Obama into the national spotlight
wait, what?
Jeri Ryan’s ex-husband, Jack Ryan, was not only a sex pest, but the Republican candidate for an Illinois US Senate seat back in 2004. Due to said sex pest shenanigans and the resulting scandal, he dropped out of the race, thus all but forfeiting the race to a relatively unknown Illinois state senator by the name of Barack Obama, who handily beat the replacement Republican candidate. This was the same year that Obama delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention, which put him on the party’s radar for 2008. If he hadn’t won that seat, Clinton probably would have had the Dem nomination in 2008.
Clinton vs. McCain would have been one hell of an election though. Just two different imperial officers calling each “gay” in increasingly obscure ways.
Oh god, it felt like Hillary becoming president was a part of some prophecy, and I’m kind of glad we avoided that prophecy. I am not happy that the cost of avoiding that prophecy was Donald fucking trump. 4 years of the personification of neoliberalism would have been preferable. I’m in the Supreme Court wouldn’t have been so fucked
Honestly if there is one good thing about Donald Trump winning, and only one, that at least spelled the end of the Clinton Bush cycle prophecy. America does not need a royal family.
That said Donald Trump is still trying to get the ball rolling on that, and that’s why we can’t let him win in 2024.
That episode is good but I have mixed feelings on it. I still don’t really understand the moral it wants to present. On one hand, it does explore gender and what it entails to get ostracized for not conforming to social gender norms. On the other hand, the normally pro-justice Enterprise crew (except for Worf and Riker) allow a literal gender conversion therapy to occur because that’s what this alien race does in its culture. That part never sat with me well. For anyone who hasn’t seen it, the aliens in question come from a society that has abolished gender entirely. Any gender expression is regarded as mental illness at best and anti-social criminality at worst. Riker falls in love with an alien who wants to express feminine traits, then becomes a renegade, and is then given some kind of psychological treatment to “fix” their gender non-conformance.
The alien Riker falls in love with has their brain scrambled, tells Riker they were sick and have now been cured. Most of the Enterprise crew just shrugs at this, says these aliens simply do things different.
It never sat with me because A) it’s expressing queer identity in reverse. As in, what if there were a society where being non-binary is normal and being cis-het is weird. The show could have just been more on the nose about this, because it makes the non-binary aliens come across as dominating, inflexible, and cruel. They could have just explicitly made an episode about normal queer issues.
B) the “it’s just their culture” never sat with me well either, since aliens in star trek are usually meant to represent human social issues. These aliens clearly represent human issues regarding gender, and yet the Enterprise doesn’t take the correct moral stance except for two of them.
Anyone else feel weird about this episode? I still like it, it’s just odd.
It’s another one of those “the Prime Directive is a bunch of
bullshit” episodes.The prime directive is the single most infuriating plot point in all of star trek, because anytime there is an obvious good thing for Starfleet to do the prime directive shows up and becomes a bunch of libshit.
But I think what really bothers me, is Voyager. They’re the prime directive is the key feature and why Janeway is the most consistently inconsistent character of all time.
Whether or not she agrees with a prime directive depends solely on whether or not it will get her crew home. If obeying the prime directive would get her crew home, then it is an archaic principle that has no place out in the field, something that sounds good in a textbook but it’s just impractical, I need to be ignored entirely. However if disobeying the prime directive would get the crew home, then all of a sudden it’s the only thing Janeway considers sacred in the entire universe.
God I hated voyager. Deep Space Nine got me into the series, but Voyager took me right back out of it
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iirc it was supposed to be a gay allegory and it reads like a trans literalgory because society moved on.
It’s definitely Not Good, but a lot of that comes from the time it was written and the producers being completely against anything queer. At one point Roddenberry wanted gay background extras in a single scene in an episode where Picard goes to Risa, and even that was vetoed by the producers.
I’d like to hope a modern redo of the episode would be handled more tactfully, but given it was the early 90s, any mainstream gender identity stuff would’ve been wild to see on TV, bad as it is today.
For anyone who hasn’t seen it, the aliens in question come from a society that has abolished gender entirely. Any gender expression is regarded as mental illness at best and anti-social criminality at worst.
If they’ve abolished gender, how do they distinguish between gendered and non gendered ways of expressing themselves?
It’s mentioned their species previously had male/female gender distinction, but no longer does, both physically and what’s socially acceptable to express. They’re also aware of other alien species who have gender distinction.
The main issue in the story is a character from the alien species is having a romance with a human in a very gendered way, so that’s what ends up being criminal. Other people have mentioned, but this story was probably supposed to be an allegory about homosexuality rather than gender itself.
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re education camps will start
with an english class
english class
Tortures :(
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But why in english, should choose something easier, like Klingon.
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This absolutely needs a CW for transphobia.
“Hi my name is Science Fiction, I’ve been used to explore and comment on the human condition for a century. Some of my most famous works are deeply philosophical and allow both reader and author to discuss subjects without the baggage of a contemporary or historical setting!”
I sure hope this dumbass transphobe dislocated their shoulder trying to reach for that “lol it’s fake” Ben Shapiro ass reply.
The fact that Ben Shapiro can Market himself as an intellectual despite being demonstratively one of the most profoundly stupid people to ever exist, shows that the era of human Enlightenment will never come
Because as we all know Star Trek stories (or science fiction broadly) are famously never allegories for real world issues. No, the curtains are blue and nothing else.
Also somewhat relevant:
cw mild riker/hornyposting
reply when you’ve added a CW: Transphobia and I’ll restore
Oh sorry, done!
Bio of our little Chuddy, slight transphobia
Freedom Loving Navy Veteran, happily married. Conservative snark, challenging transactivist nonsense and comments on movies and games are what you’ll find here
You are not snarky, you are just a burger clown that punches down! Hope your hubby cheated on you while you were away on baby’s first imperialism cruise
Anyway, how do you insult the marine mercenaries of Burgerlandia?
“freedom loving” but not for everyone.
funnily enough, for a long time liberty was defined as not being enslaved or not being tied to the soil like the peasants and having privildges (liberties) over them
Istg they think more about trans people than actual fucking trans people
wow i actually took psychic damage from reading some of her retweets
also tbf Riker was a straight up himbo. Himbos aint got no time for discrimination.
waiting for this chud to realize that not everything in science fiction is inherently fiction by being in a fiction story. humans are not fictional because they are featured in science fiction. typical american media literacy tbh.
It is funny, since LGBTQ+ people get massacred in Russia and China for being different.
You can get beat up and the police will tell you it is your own fault and then they join your attackers in the beating.
