He isn’t suicidal, but with a semi-coherent plan like I’ve mentioned and an absolutely seething level of rage, he is very likely to do something without thinking through all the caveats and confounding variables.
Yeah I pretty much agree with everything you said here. I said I could accept Vegeta being capable of destroying a planet in the same way Frieza does because there’s no feats to suggest he can wipe out a planet in one blast, and there’s no way in my mind I could see Vegeta wanting to kill Goku so badly that he would intentionally explode the planet with his galick gun and kill himself in the process.
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I think that at that point in the series, reading it chronologically and witnessing Toriyama’s escalation of events, his max power would only severely damage Earth. Before Nappa and Vegeta show up, the largest attack we witness (ignoring the Moon outliers that make no sense) is Piccolo Jr. nuking the World Tournament stage fighting Goku. We’re not narratively supposed to believe that Toriyama’s characters in this series are LITERALLY fast enough to outspeed light and LITERALLY powerful enough to erase planets and solar systems. Otherwise it would make no sense for Goku to tell his friends he doesn’t think he can beat Frieza after hearing Frieza boast about blowing up Namek. If powerscalers were right and everybody 5x stronger than “moonbuster” Roshi or whatever can easily wipe a planet from existence, Goku should have laughed in Frieza’s face when he said that because Goku should be well aware that he could annihilate Earth if he wanted to when he was 15 years old in that case. Whereas when Vegeta said he was going to turn Goku and his planet into space dust, Goku was well aware that he could at the very least match Vegeta’s power output with Kaioken and didn’t just give up hope after hearing him boast. But all of a sudden a couple weeks/months later he falters in the face of a planet-buster? Hmmmm
Anyway yeah, the manga is written semi-incoherently from the standpoint of feats or even just a little bit of scrutiny. Super is the worst fucking thing, though not for the reasons people complain about.
There’s so many hilarious antifeats in the Buu Saga and in Super it’s pretty funny hearing all the ways powerscalers try to cope by inventing an alternate reality. Like there’s more antifeats than actual feats but they have to pretend that DBZ characters’ abilities scale linearly upward infinitely because they can’t bear the thought of Saitama or Superman or whatever having a feat that trounces them lol. Like when Piccolo is trying to reach them, Goten and Trunks fuse into Gotenks, and fly around the world for fun and then supposedly take a nap in the span of 30 minutes. This is used as evidence that DBZ characters are FTL or MFTL because the panel shows their ki-trails wrapping around the planet and they take that to mean they circumnavigated the Earth multiple times in a brief moment. Assuming they’re correct and Gotenks did this very fast or nearly instantly and napped for 29 minutes or so, this is a Piccolo antifeat disguised as a Gotenks feat. You’re telling me it took Piccolo more than 20 minutes to travel from his location to where Gotenks was napping and they were both on Earth?
Another funny one is after Buu absorbs Piccolo and Gotenks I believe, he fires a ki blast at Hercule. And Hercule, as a mundane human martial artist with no ki manipulation, is able to perceive Buu’s ki blast and fire his M1911 three times in reaction before the blast reaches him. This same Hercule was both injured by a regular bullet, and also survived a fight with Tao Pai Pai. Makes no sense. Speaking of Tao, his power level is higher than moonbuster Roshi but was defeated by a hand grenade. Yajirobe has a higher power level than both Tao and Roshi lol.
Regarding Super, the funniest thing to me is the Tournament of Power where our heroes are at their strongest point yet in decades of Dragon Ball material, they get speedblitzed by somebody tracking them via soundwaves. Hit also gets speedblitzed by somebody else (Dyspo) intercepting his time skip technique by reacting to his sound.
Yeah I pretty much agree with everything you said here. I said I could accept Vegeta being capable of destroying a planet in the same way Frieza does because there’s no feats to suggest he can wipe out a planet in one blast, and there’s no way in my mind I could see Vegeta wanting to kill Goku so badly that he would intentionally explode the planet with his galick gun and kill himself in the process.
spoiler
I think that at that point in the series, reading it chronologically and witnessing Toriyama’s escalation of events, his max power would only severely damage Earth. Before Nappa and Vegeta show up, the largest attack we witness (ignoring the Moon outliers that make no sense) is Piccolo Jr. nuking the World Tournament stage fighting Goku. We’re not narratively supposed to believe that Toriyama’s characters in this series are LITERALLY fast enough to outspeed light and LITERALLY powerful enough to erase planets and solar systems. Otherwise it would make no sense for Goku to tell his friends he doesn’t think he can beat Frieza after hearing Frieza boast about blowing up Namek. If powerscalers were right and everybody 5x stronger than “moonbuster” Roshi or whatever can easily wipe a planet from existence, Goku should have laughed in Frieza’s face when he said that because Goku should be well aware that he could annihilate Earth if he wanted to when he was 15 years old in that case. Whereas when Vegeta said he was going to turn Goku and his planet into space dust, Goku was well aware that he could at the very least match Vegeta’s power output with Kaioken and didn’t just give up hope after hearing him boast. But all of a sudden a couple weeks/months later he falters in the face of a planet-buster? Hmmmm
There’s so many hilarious antifeats in the Buu Saga and in Super it’s pretty funny hearing all the ways powerscalers try to cope by inventing an alternate reality. Like there’s more antifeats than actual feats but they have to pretend that DBZ characters’ abilities scale linearly upward infinitely because they can’t bear the thought of Saitama or Superman or whatever having a feat that trounces them lol. Like when Piccolo is trying to reach them, Goten and Trunks fuse into Gotenks, and fly around the world for fun and then supposedly take a nap in the span of 30 minutes. This is used as evidence that DBZ characters are FTL or MFTL because the panel shows their ki-trails wrapping around the planet and they take that to mean they circumnavigated the Earth multiple times in a brief moment. Assuming they’re correct and Gotenks did this very fast or nearly instantly and napped for 29 minutes or so, this is a Piccolo antifeat disguised as a Gotenks feat. You’re telling me it took Piccolo more than 20 minutes to travel from his location to where Gotenks was napping and they were both on Earth?
Another funny one is after Buu absorbs Piccolo and Gotenks I believe, he fires a ki blast at Hercule. And Hercule, as a mundane human martial artist with no ki manipulation, is able to perceive Buu’s ki blast and fire his M1911 three times in reaction before the blast reaches him. This same Hercule was both injured by a regular bullet, and also survived a fight with Tao Pai Pai. Makes no sense. Speaking of Tao, his power level is higher than moonbuster Roshi but was defeated by a hand grenade. Yajirobe has a higher power level than both Tao and Roshi lol.
Regarding Super, the funniest thing to me is the Tournament of Power where our heroes are at their strongest point yet in decades of Dragon Ball material, they get speedblitzed by somebody tracking them via soundwaves. Hit also gets speedblitzed by somebody else (Dyspo) intercepting his time skip technique by reacting to his sound.